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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:53 PM
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Gun free zone= Worst terrorist attack in our nations history. 9-11
Just sayin'.
3000 innocent people dead in one day. Planes are one of the most secured areas in the country. The terrorists couldn't bring guns on the plane so they just used something else to attack the unarmed passengers and crew.

Gun free zone.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:55 PM
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1. True- and if NY didnt have such strict laws, we could have shot the plane down with our bazookas,
Damn those gun free zones!!!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:57 PM
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3. no they would have never gotten that far

a shoot out on board would have been a better result.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:04 PM
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11. Shoot outs on planes can't be anything but a good thing.
I dont mean some namby-pamby "Air Marshall"- I mean red-blooded, strapping citizens laying down the law as they see fit.

If I was allowed on a plane with my guns, believe me, any terrorist would stand down.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:34 PM
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23. anybody who looked like a fucking terrorist would have been taken out at check in
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:05 PM
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26. Where are all of these shoot outs all over the rest of the country?
Almost every public place in my town has multiple people with concealed guns. There has never been a shoot-out in this town that involved a legally carrying person. Ever.

Good guys pull out guns when criminals try to hurt people. That's mostly it.
Bad guys carry guns where they are not supposed to all the time. If there is no metal detector, there are criminals with concealed guns and knives.

The idea that average people start shooting each other over a parking spot is a lie. It doesn't happen. Would YOU shoot somebody over a parking spot? Of course not.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:43 PM
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29. LOL! Man, that is funny shit. nt
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:56 PM
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2. Did I just read that?
I thought I just read a post glomming off of 9-11 for some gun-enthusiast gloating.

Naaah. Nobody could be THAT callow.

--d!
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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:16 PM
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16. Is that Jerry Callow?
:silly:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:59 PM
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4. You think allowing guns on planes would reduce the number of such incidences?
My own prediction is we'd lose a plane a week from air rage as someone shot a pilot or a critical piece of equipment or just blew a hole in a window at high altitudes.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 04:35 PM
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31. The engineers who build the planes would disagree with you.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:56 PM
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34. No they wouldn't.
See, I can do that, too.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:30 PM
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42. Cute.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:49 AM
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36. You realize the government tested that extensively
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 02:50 AM by AtheistCrusader
when they considered arming pilots and air marshals? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't aware of that. Fun fact, the planes aren't as vulnerable as you think.

Edit: Not to add credence to the original post.. I think stowing firearms in the hold, unloaded and locked is a better solution. Arming the pilots and the air marshal program are a better solution than arming the passengers.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:48 PM
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38. Mythbusters tried it too.
Not that Mythbusters is the final word on, well, ANYthing. But they pressurized then shot an airliner shell with little effect. Getting a real explosive decompression required a significant use of explosives. (Which, being the Mythbusters, they ALSO did.)
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:46 PM
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47. Saw it on mythbusters
I gunshot to the window or thru the skin of the plane would not cause rapid decompression to bring it down.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:59 PM
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5. soooo-- are you saying that the 9/11 terrorists should have been able...
...to bring guns onto the planes they hijacked? Or that a gun fight between hijackers and passengers while in flight would have been a good thing? If the latter, check this out:

Loss of cabin pressure: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/aug/18/thisweekssciencequestions3
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:00 PM
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6. Pre-9/11, passengers and crews were taught to cooperate with the hijackers
That will no longer be the case. As with Richard Reid, now when someone starts up some shit on a plane, there will be an angry mob of passengers ready to kill if necessary.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:00 PM
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7. Excellent job. You've combined two of DU's dungeon's subjects into one post.
Guns and 9/11. Now if you could only work in something from the anti-religion dungeon... I mean the Religion/Theology forum and the Israel/Palestine forum, you'd have a set!
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:05 PM
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12. The terrorists were motavated by their religious beliefs and U.S. support for Israel. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:15 PM
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15. 9/11 was caused by radical Muslims,doing the bidding
of Jewish and End Times interests to cover for a war in the Middles East giving Israel an excuse to perpetuate genocide. All because they are irrational enough to believe in a god. Guns on the planes would have prevented it all.

Alright. Where's it going to get hidden?:crazy:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:00 PM
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8. was it also a boxcutter free zone?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:03 PM
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9. The terrorists were using box cutters, and more importantly, lies.
The people could have easily overpowered the terrorists if they had the motivation to do so, but the terrorists were clever enough to lie about their true agenda when they took over the plane.

Would you and 20 of your friends need a firearm to take out a man with a box cutter? Of course not. The problem had nothing to do with the terrorists having Superior firepower.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 04:22 PM
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30. On one plane they did.
In the incredibly narrow aisle of the plane I am sure the first passenger to go forward was cut to pieces as those behind him pushed him forward into the knives and tried to get around him. He was probably willing to die to stop the bad guys, most of them were probably willing to die. All of them did die.
They probably saved a lot of lives with their courage. In their attempt to over power the men with the box cutters they killed themselves and everybody on the plane.

"Would you and 20 of your friends need a firearm to take out a man with a box cutter?"

In their attempt to take out the men with the box cutters they killed themselves and everybody on the plane.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:09 PM
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32. I don't think you know what a box cutter is.
In their attempt to take out the men with the box cutters they killed themselves and everybody on the plane.


I agree that the pilot should keep flying the plane during such events.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 03:17 PM
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39. Please explain what you mean.
Are you suggesting a box cutter won't cut a persons whole face wide open or slit a throat to the bone with the first cut?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 08:45 PM
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40. "slit a throat to the bone with the first cut"
The blade is just not long enough to slit a throat to the bone. I don't a razor blade could create a nasty gash, but to kill someone charging you with one would require great skill or luck.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:21 PM
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41. I'm sorry, but you really don't understand this.
Human bodies compress against a blade which drives in without compression. With violent force, which is normal when one human is trying to kill another, a 2 in blade can go all the way through a persons chest and come out their back.
I'm not going to argue with you about this. You have no idea how violent it is when a person takes a box cutter after another person. There are pics on the web of people who have been sewn back together. It is so much worse than you imagine.
There are some things not everybody needs to understand. Just take my word on this one.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 10:46 PM
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43. "There are pics on the web"
I looked around for a few minutes on google images, but I did not see much. Perhaps you can tell me where to look so I can see what you are talking about.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:16 PM
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44. Here are some people who lived.
I don't think you will find autopsy or crime scene photos. I am not going to continue with you on this because I already know what a box cutter is capable of. I don't care if you believe it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_11281379&usg=__RON1lF-MA8W9Ai05h_IYhxNZq7k=&h=150&w=200&sz=6&hl=en&start=67&um=1&tbnid=9dEDFk_XFGmseM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbox%2Bcutter%2Battack%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D54%26um%3D1

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.photographersdirect.com/buyers/stockphoto.asp%3Fimageid%3D1649866&usg=__7R5qdyBmFnqvVHpgaGtm-esgPR0=&h=340&w=500&sz=52&hl=en&start=48&um=1&tbnid=oxiZRzt2QV1BZM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbox%2Bcutter%2Binjury%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D36%26um%3D1
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:03 PM
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10. Wow...I mean...wow
Did I really just read that?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:12 PM
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No More Bushbots Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:12 PM
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14. I exercise my rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment
By possessing Stinger ground to air missiles
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:22 PM
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17. And a gun on you hip protects you from having AT&T and the NSA spying on you.
Gee, in Baghdad every family is allowed to have an Iraqi army surplus full-auto AK-47. That must be the safest city in the world.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 05:36 PM
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46. AT&T & NSA has to do with DIFFERENT rights that are still being violated.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:24 PM
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18. Dude... that's a pretty ridiculous analogy.
There's all sorts of better issues when talking about guns. This one is just ludicrous.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:31 PM
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21. I wonder which NRA-sponsored GOP-supporting RW tool he picked it up from?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:28 PM
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19. Libertarian utopian bullshit. nt
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walkaway Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:31 PM
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20. Are these weird gun post jokes?
I am pro gun control but I never assumed pro gun people were stupid.

This must be some kind of act.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:31 PM
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22. He's being serious.
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walkaway Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:41 PM
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24. I doubt it. I think it all a prank.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:52 PM
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25. Do you see a :sarcasm: tag?
Has he offered any other explanation for his offensive post?
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:18 PM
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27. Maybe he's a Dill Wad? Just a guess...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:30 PM
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lepus Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:22 PM
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33. I like guns as much as the next guy.
But are you saying that the privately owned airlines, should be mandated to allow people that they have not screened to carry armed on their flights?

I am all for full carry rights for adults not currently incarcerated or judged to be non compos mentis. If they are too dangerous to carry, they are too dangerous to allow freedom, ie they should be locked up.

But the issue of carry on a plane should be up to the airline that owns it.

If they judge the risk of carrying is to high, it should be their right to restrict it. It comes down to the old property rights versus constitutional rights argument. I side on the property owners side on this issue.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:03 PM
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35. The ONLY point I am making is that
declaring an area gun free and supposedly disarming everybody in the area fails to make that area safe.
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MrPerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 10:16 AM
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37. Archie Bunker believed in arming passengers.
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umccoyw Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:54 PM
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45. very true
if someone wants to kill people they are going to do it whether its with a gun, box cutter, plane, it doesnt matter criminals will always find a way
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