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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:03 PM
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Answer this hypothetical question
And if you don't do hypotheticals then find some other thread to reply to:

What if the Congress passed a gun control bill that confiscated firearms from all blacks, Hispanics, gays, Arabs and Muslims. White people would be allowed to keep their guns just as before.

Would the NRA oppose it?

Honestly, I don't know the answer myself.
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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:09 PM
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1. No way to ever know for sure but I say yes.
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Believing Is Art Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:09 PM
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2. Yes, I believe the organization as a whole would oppose it
While many of its members may be racist, xenophobic, and homophobic, the NRA as a whole would choose principle over discrimination. They would likely also fear the slippery slope and want to avoid the bad PR.
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:11 PM
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3. Yes they would
Answer me this though, can you pick a gay person out of a crowd? Short of the flamers I know I can't.

Kind of a stupid question.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:16 PM
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5. or a white hispanic or muslim?? n/t
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:23 PM
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7. What about 1/2 breeds?
You know people with a white mother and a black father(or vice versa)? Do they only get 1/2 the gun?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:32 PM
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8. half-breeds can use guns but no bullets n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:58 PM
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14. A little automatic-pistol earring in one earlobe?
An AK-47 charm on a keychain?

Yeah, I don't think there's a clear indicator.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:15 PM
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4. in that situation I would be more concerned that Congress actually passed it
rather than the NRA's position.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:19 PM
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6. Yes. They are about guns, not racism.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:49 PM
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9. Yes, of course they would oppose it
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 02:49 PM by slackmaster
That would put a serious damper on gun sales, and limit the number of people who would have a reason to join.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:51 PM
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10. Is the bill being introduced by Democrats or Republicans?
If the GOP could spin it as being supportive of 'Merca and against those nasty atheist faggot Muslim Democrats, the NRA would fall in behind it along with all the other RWers.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:26 PM
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26. It's so nice to see a stereotype unpolluted by grubby reality.
Wait, you've got evidence that this isn't really the NRA's position on things?

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=137

Cool!
Post it ASAP. Your fellow gun controllers need help.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:57 PM
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11. The NRA is all about guns. They don't care which group supports them.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:27 PM
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12. I'm sure they'd be very upset and write a strongly worded letter
to Washington.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:43 PM
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13. Yes, see Katrina confiscations for an example
A good number of the illegal gun confiscations in NO were from minorities. The NRA went to court to fight it with out regard to the race of the gun owners the ACLU stayed home, since they refuse to accept the SCOTUS decision.

I know it's not fashionable to say the NRA does anything correctly, but their track record on gun right sis pretty color blind. But ... I'm open to anyone that can provide an actual example of the organization doing anything racist.

Not what somebody read on HuffPo or what Ted Nugent said 23 years ago, but an actual citable example from the organization?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 06:47 PM
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15. Of course they would.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 06:54 PM
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16. IMO the NRA would oppose the hypothetical you pose. You do know many "Hispanics, gays, Arabs and
Muslims" are white, don't you?

See http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=ACS_2007_3YR_G00_&-mt_name=ACS_2007_3YR_G2000_B02001
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:00 PM
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17. Banning people from owning guns based on their appearance is just as silly as
banning guns based on cosmetic features. The NRA is apposed to "assault weapons" bans based on appearance, so you do the math.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:37 AM
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19. Yes they would oppose it.
The NRA has literally hundreds of pages of info floating around the internets, can anyone point to a single racist or even derogatory racial statement on NRA sites?

I played and gave an honest answer, how about you, bluestateguy? Why would you ask such a question? Or put another way, what basis do you have for doubting that they would oppose it?
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:46 AM
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20. I'm certain they would oppose it.
They were huge champions for the Katrina folks, many of whom were black.

The NRA is pretty single-minded in its focus. It's about firearms, not race or religion.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:07 AM
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21. Yes. They fought hard for illegally disarmed African-Americans to get their guns back
after the rogue New Orleans gun confiscations.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:33 AM
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22. Yes, the NRA would oppose it.

They protect the 2nd Amendment rights of all law abiding non-prohibited Americans regardless of other demographics.


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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:40 AM
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23. NRA sued in federal court to have guns confiscation durring Katrina returned
The lawsuit wasn't limited to only one race.

It seems funny to me people have so much confusion about NRA.

NRA = support for RKBA. Period.

My Democratic Senator has an A+ rating.
Two Congressmen for my state (not my district) have an F rating from NRA and they are Republicans.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:49 AM
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24. Yes, gun control is a racist idea. The NRA opposes gun control.
Check out this NRA article documenting racism and gun control.

The Racist History of Handgun Bans in America


(Excerpted from the NRA-ILA "War Against Handgun Fact Sheet")

In the United States, the first efforts to prevent the ownership of firearms, in particular, handguns, were aimed at Blacks. The French Black Code (1751) required Louisiana colonists to stop and, "if necessary," beat "any black carrying any potential weapon. . . ." After Nat Turner's rebellion in 1831, the Virginia legislature made it illegal for free blacks "to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead." In 1834, Tennessee revised Article XI, Section 26 of its Constitution to read "That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and bear arms for their common defense," inserting the words "free white men" to replace "freemen," whose rights were protected when the Constitution was ratified in 1796. (Clayton E. Cramer, "The Racist Roots of Gun Control," Kansas Journal of Law & Public Policy, Winter 1995.)

*********snip********

More recently, anti-handgun efforts have included laws or legislative proposals for registration, licensing, limits on the frequency of purchases, limits on the capacity of ammunition magazines, bans on both small handguns ("Saturday Night Specials") and large handguns ("assault pistols"), and requirements that handguns (except those of the police) either be externally locked (rendering them useless for protection) or manufactured with non-existent internal devices to prevent the handgun from being used by anyone other than its rightful owner.

Conspicuously, the race-oriented history of "gun control" laws has escaped the attention of many in the civil rights community. Legal scholars Robert J. Cottrol and Raymond T. Diamond have written, "The history of blacks, firearms regulations, and the right to bear arms should cause us to ask new questions regarding the Second Amendment. . . . Perhaps a re-examination of this history can lead us to a modern realization of what the framers of the Second Amendment understood: that it is unwise to place the means of protection totally in the hands of the state, and that self-defense is also a civil right. ("The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration," Gun Control and the Constitution: Sources and Explorations on the Second Amendment, ed., Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, School of Law, 1994.)
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=137
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:07 AM
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25. What makes you think that NRA membership
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 11:08 AM by guardian
doesn't comprise "blacks, Hispanics, gays, Arabs and Muslims"?
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:44 PM
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27. Yes, even IF (as you imply) they are racist.
Why? Because once you've established precedent in taking away one demographics guns, they are sure you will move to take away their own.

That's the principle behind their early actions against things like the AWB. They are attempting to interrupt the slippery slope of bans on ALL firearms.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:42 PM
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28. An interesting article from a black NRA member...
The short answer: The NRA is not racist, otherwise I and many of my fellow black gun owners would not be members. Read on for the longer answer.

First, The Reasons I’m Even Writing this Article
I’m a black gun owner who has been an NRA member for about as long as I’ve owned guns. During that time I’ve experienced exactly 0 instances of racism from NRA members, and have found them to be kind, helpful, and all around good people. Sadly many people seem to thing that the NRA and its members are racist. For example, I‘ve noticed an increasing number of people arriving at LearnAboutGuns.com after searching on Google for terms such as “NRA position on african american”, “black people NRA”, “racist NRA”, etc. I already wrote one article addressing the non-existence of racial problems at Chicago area gun stores, but it seems that it is time for this African American gun owner and NRA member to write another article addressing (the lack of) racism insofar as the NRA and gun owners in general are concerned:

*******snip*********

Conclusion
The NRA is not a racist organization, and the same is true for other pro gun rights organizations, as well as the overwhelming majority of their individual members. As a black person who has spoken with and shot with gun owners from multiple states, I can unequivocally say that I have never experienced a shred of firearms activity related racism. It is offensive and saddening to hear ignorant forum posters ascribe racism to NRA members, as some of the nicest people I’ve met over the last couple of years have been NRA members. For example, when I first went trapshooting, an NRA member (who was white by the way) went to the trouble of showing my the basics, and letting me borrow one of his guns on 2 separate days. Other members of the same trapshooting club spent about an hour chatting with me after I was done shooting, and encouraged me to return. Lending of firearms, teaching of trapshooting, and entertaining conversation are what one can expect from an NRA member - not racism.
http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/08/25/racism-the-nra-and-gun-owners/
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