GUNS IN THE NEWS - November 13, 2003 (Revised Guidelines)

Please try to adhere to the following guidelines, in order that we can have an orderly discussion of gun-related news topics:

1 - Feel free to add any CURRENT stories to this thread by replying to this message. In order to be considered current for the Monday thread, stories should have been originally posted to the 'Net on Saturday, Sunday, or Monday. (This allows for the fact than many people are off-line over the weekend, allowing the Monday thread to be a weekend summary.) On all other days of the week, stories should have been originally within the previous 24 hours, or provide follow-up to a story that was previously posted on the J/PS board.

2 - Both pro-gun and anti-gun stories are welcome in this thread, as well as gun-related editorials, as long as they're current. Please do not post links to stories or articles from a few years back that support your position.

3 - Bear in mind that any links to extremely right-wing sites (such as Newsmax, CNS, or the Washington Times) or intentionally pro-gun or pro-control sites (such as the NRA's or Handgun Control, Inc.) are not cosidered reliable sources by many DU-ers. If at all possible, try to find a link from a more mainstream source, such as a general-circulation newspaper or magazine site.

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to prevent Gun Violence" and "The Violence Policy Center". Note HCI morphed into the Brady Center so we need to recognize Brady's role in the gun-control discussion.

I see nothing wrong with including links to any site including the Brady Center and NRA because the ultimate goal is facts. In that sense, if Sara Brady or Wayne LaPierre make a statement of fact or argument based on verifiable data, that is useful regardless of their other political beliefs.

IMO it's foolish to reject a pro-RKBA argument just because it's mouthed by Wayne LaPierre or Al From as frequently happens. Attack things that are claimed to be facts not the messenger.

there's no reason to excclude left wing sites of any sort.

Furthermore, neither of the sites you're moaning about dishonestly pretends to be a news organization....unlike Newsmax, WorldNetDaily or the brainWashington Times.

Co made a change

3 - Bear in mind that any links to extremely right-wing sites (such as Newsmax, CNS, or the Washington Times) or intentionally pro-gun or pro-control sites (such as the NRA's or Handgun Control, Inc.) are not cosidered reliable sources by many DU-ers. If at all possible, try to find a link from a more mainstream source, such as a general-circulation newspaper or magazine site

And Jody says links should be allowed to the Brady bunch, VPC etc., for once Jody said something you should be agreeing to.

All I'm saying is that unless the info also appears in a more mainstream venue, aome people may regard it as suspect.

And Jody, I refuse to revise the guidelines to codify your irrational hatred of Sarah Brady. Just MHO......

your irrational hatred for the NRA?

The NRA and the Brady's are simply mirror images of each other.

Let's just leave it at that. I know a lot of people are pissed off at these "GITN" threads anyway, and you know what??? I don't care.

It melded into the Brady Campaign.

....kinda proves that as a pro-control person I'm not taking my marching orders from them, doesn't it???

the J/PS forum. I thought DU policy prevented moderators and individuals from controlling the dynamics of a forum. You should have warned us of your new authority to establish guidelines for discussion.

The numbered items at the beginning of these threads are GUIDELINES - not rules. They are optional, and do NOT apply to the entire J/PS forum. And if the moderators objected to my guidelines, they would have said something. Since I've heard nothing, I'm assuming they have no problem with them.

All I've been saying is that some sites are cnsidered suspect, and links to more mainstream sites may prove more believable.

Is that the only way the gun-control and gun-grabber crowd can win?

Is false accusation the only way YOU can win?

my replies. Note censor means "One that condemns or censures."

What word do you suggest i use to describe your action to prevent me from posting a reply in this thread?

...as an attempt to disrupt this thread.

Some people don't want DUers to see the terrible toll the corrupt gun industry and the GOP inflict on Americans daily.

the terrible toll that automobiles inflict on Americans daily.

I'm sure we could get far more stories on traffic accidents if someone wanted to make a similarily styled thread.

Some people don't want DUers to see the terrible toll the corrupt gun industry and the GOP inflict on Americans daily.

that lets a DU participant limit the substance of a reply by others.

Note the DU rules say "Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, troll, conservative, Republican, or FReeper. "

Does your statement "And I Interpret YOUR Posts..." ...as an attempt to disrupt this thread meet DU guidelines?

Under DISRUPTIONS AND INAPPROPRIATE POSTS:

Stay on topic. Don't jump into an unrelated discussion and introduce a barely-relevant tangent in order to bring up your pet issue.

I believe that in a thread dedicated to current gun-related news stories, your old quotes can be considered tangents.

And BTW, Jody, there is a difference between describing a post as disruptive and calling someone a disruptor. If you feel I've violated DU rules, feel free to hit the "Alert" button - I'll abide by the moderators' decision.

because I enjoy your posts.

I posted gun-related stories to a thread you started that you say is "dedicated to current gun-related news stories". I don't accept your definition of current and I believe the articles I submitted are worthy contributions.

BTW, I pressed the "Alert" button on my own post, to ask the moderators to decide if I called you a disruptor. I'll abide by their decision.

That is no surprise.

"Homicide detectives are looking for the person who opened fire on two men in a car, killing one of them.
Emergency crews rushed the driver of the car to a hospital. He is in critical condition. The passenger died at the scene. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031113/lo_kmbc/1875522

Ah yes ..... testosterone was in the air ....... - Wayne

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Concealed-gun backers pack 'em near Statehouse

By Jim Siegel
Gannett News Service

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COLUMBUS -- Gerard Valentino called it "the big one," as dozens of gun-carrying people walked past him along the sidewalk outside the Statehouse.

Ohioans for Concealed Carry had held at least 10 previous rallies, in which gun supporters carried their pistols openly to advocate for a concealed handgun law. But Valentino, central Ohio coordinator for the group, knew this walk -- near the state capital building -- would draw the most attention.

"This is the one we tried to get off the ground in the first place," he said Wednesday, as more than 125 people walked around the Statehouse displaying a variety of handguns.

The "defense walk" was supposed to coincide with the first meeting of a joint House-Senate committee formed to hammer out a compromise gun bill.

But the committee session was canceled after several lawmakers said they planned to attend the funeral of Corwin Nixon, former House member and minority leader for 23 years.

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http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/news/stories/20031113/localnews/633673.html

Bet everyone in Ohio feels safer NOW...NOT.

"...as more than 125 people walked around the Statehouse displaying a variety of handguns."

I guess you think anyone demostrating for a civil right is a 'loonie' too?

And he knows this how?

....with more CCW permits being issued here in Colorado. To me that just means the chances for more assholes getting hold of guns has increased.

CO, do you feel the same way when you see/hear about armed private security guards?

We have many wackos in this state, and many of them are very vocally pro-gun. The thought of any of them having guns is truly scary.

of Ohio.

But I can speak from my personal experience here in Colorado.

since he doesn't live in Ohio either.

that when the entire population of Missouri got a chance to vote on the issue and REJECTED gun permits for a handful of neurotics, the corrupt gun industry and the GOP went ahead and forced it through anyway, breaking Army regulations along the way.

And even though a solid majority of Wisconsin's citzenry doesn't want armed loonies wandering the streets, the corrupt gun industry and the GOP are trying to force it through there.

wanted to keep blacks from voting back in the 50's-60's.

Trent Lott stands four-square for gun rights (and Jim Crow)....

"Two women had their lives turned upside down after a man walked into their workplace and opened fire.
Smith, 54, and Martin, 35, were both shot several times.
The triggerman was no stranger, Wynter said. Instead, police said a disgruntled plant employee, Richard Shadle, 32, went on a rampage.
Both women told Wynter that they won't go anywhere near Andover Industries. But there's no erasing the memory or burning question. Why Shadle turned a town upside down?
Shadle's mother, Rosalie, said her son was upset after being denied a vacation request."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=387&ncid=387&e=3&u=/ibsys/20031113/lo_wews/1874318

"According to Sterba, the student said he didn't bring the gun to school to hurt anybody, he just wanted to show it off." And in the process, he showed what an asshole he could be. - Wayne

Gun Found In Student Locker

Teen At Lewis And Clark Middle School Questioned, Released

POSTED: 8:33 a.m. CST November 13, 2003
UPDATED: 8:43 a.m. CST November 13, 2003

OMAHA, Neb. -- A loaded gun was found in a student's locker at Omaha's Lewis and Clark Middle School Wednesday afternoon. The principal, Lisa Sterba (pictured, left), said that earlier in the day that student made verbal threats to a classmate.

Lewis and Clark has emergency procedures for situations like this. When guards noticed a lot of activity around one student locker round 1:30 p.m., they went immediately to check it out.

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Police arrived at 2 p.m. The student admitted the gun belonged to him. The teen was taken into custody and staff and students went home safely. According to Sterba, the student said he didn't bring the gun to school to hurt anybody, he just wanted to show it off. He was questioned by police, then released to his parents' custody.

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http://www.theomahachannel.com/education/2634335/detail.html

Do these sherriffs know something the gun lobby doesn't want you to know? - Wayne

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Area sheriffs want to opt out of gun permits

By John Lee
Post-Crescent staff writer

If a bill to allow people to carry concealed weapons becomes law in Wisconsin, Fox Cities residents wanting to pack a piece might have to go elsewhere for a permit.

Sheriffs in Outagamie, Winnebago, Calumet and Waupaca counties all say they hope to “opt out” of having to issue the licenses because the law would be too broad and add administrative expenses.

“I don’t have a strong opinion on the law one way or another, but man, how are we going to pay for this?” Waupaca County Sheriff Steve Liebe said. “I can’t cover what I have now, so they’d have to send me money or some people.”

The four area sheriffs are among 65 of the state’s 72 sheriffs who have asked or plan to ask their county boards for permission to opt out of the concealed-carry licensing rules, according to the Wisconsin Sheriffs and Deputy Sheriffs Association.

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http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_13143092.shtml

Another one..... - Wayne

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15-year-old brings gun to school

By Jesse McLain
November 13, 2003

A 15 -year-old male Rocky Mountain High School sophomore brought a .45- caliber automatic handgun to school Wednesday morning, said Rita Davis, press information officer for Fort Collins Police Services.

Allegedly the sophomore had written suicide notes on Monday and began handing them out to his classmates and teachers, Davis said.

"He obviously had some issues and needed some help," she said.

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http://www.collegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/11/13/3fb32bcb1df28

An alternative to "Eddie Eagle" minus the Fowl Foul. - Wayne

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FREE gun safety kits!

OGDEN PD HAS THEM, INCLUDES GUNLOCKS

The Ogden Police Department will provide free firearm safety kits to local residents through a partnership with Project ChildSafe, the nationwide firearms safety education program.

The 200 safety kits, which include gunlocks, will be distributed starting Nov. 11, 2003 until they are gone.

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Project ChildSafe, a program developed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), will distribute millions of firearm safety kits throughout the country over the next year. The program is funded by a U.S. Department of Justice grant, with additional funding provided by the firearms industry.

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10504675&BRD=1842&PAG=461&dept_id=335645&rfi=6

And who are they?

"Formed in 1961, The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) is the trade association for the firearms and recreational shooting sports industry."

http://www.nssf.org/about/nssf.cfm?nav=generic&new=generic&rel=generic

They are the 'evil corrupt gun industry'.

/sarcasmoff

:evilgrin:

"Two teenagers have been arrested in connection with a weekend shooting that seriously injured one man, and one of the suspects has now been charged.
Police said the two -- a 15-year-old boy and a 19-year-old man -- shot the victim in the head outside Blue Ridge Mall Sunday night, and then carjacked two people before running into a nearby neighborhood, where a woman was pistol-whipped when she opened her door to the pair. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031113/lo_kmbc/1874918

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(The Arizona Republic, Phoenix, AZ, 05/20/03)

(The News Tribune, Tacoma, WA, 06/03/03)

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(The Oakland Press, Pontiac, MI, 05/13/03)

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Southwest News, Bellaire, TX, 05/13/03

Jody, if you're gonna ignore the guidelines, why don't you just stay out of this thread?

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The Indianapolis Star, Indianapolis, IN, 04/29/03

That "Armed Citizen" site is an NRA site, so it's hardly an unbiased source.

"Police Wednesday questioned at least one person in connection with a shooting that killed a man and seriously wounded a woman Tuesday night on the city's east side.
A sheriff's deputy on routine patrol found two people shot inside a car in a vacant lot along 21st Street under Interstate 465, police said.
Marcus Williams, 39, died at the scene of the shooting, police said. Carlette Moody, 33, was taken to a local hospital, where she was listed in critical condition, RTV6 reported. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031112/lo_wrtv/1873814

"Police say a 22-year-old woman was abducted and shot during an attempted sexual assault.
The woman told police that she was walking home near Northwest 94 Street and 34 Court around midnight Monday, when she saw a man following her in his vehicle.
She said as she continued to walk, the subject produced a handgun and demanded that she get in his car, a late-90s model beige Nissan or Toyota four-door. Once she was in the car, the man demanded sex. When the woman refused, the man shot her in the forearm with a small-caliber handgun. The subject then threw the victim out of the vehicle and fled."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031112/lo_wplg/1874598

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:-)

each one of those posts in seperate threads.

?

I asked Skinner for clarification on the "Ask The Administrators" board. Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=7005

And here is Skinner's reply:

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Subject: Spamming a thread with off-topic posts is not allowed.

So it appeared that the mods dealt with this appropriately.

But we do not generally enforce guidelines which a thread starter tries to impose on a thread. We won't stop you from trying, but we also will not enforce rules that don't come from us.

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So since the guidelines are strictly voluntary, the moderators cannot enforce them. I can live with that. But if someone engages in activities designed to disrupt DU and I believe that a DU rule has been violated, I will not hesitate to use the "Alert" button. Regardless of whether that person is pro-gun or anti-gun.

the 'Guns in the News' thread?

That is a hoot.

Posting old quotes from "The Armed Citizen" is off-topic. That's why they were all deleted.

Were they 'guns in the news' articles?

Were they in the 'Guns in the News' thread?

The honest answer to both of those questions is 'yes'.

Were they 'guns in the news' articles?

NO!!!!


Were they in the 'Guns in the News' thread?

Yes, but they didn't belong there. That's why there's gone.

Do I detect a bit of 'glossing over' here?

I mean these most obviously were 'guns in the news' type articles, you just dont like the source, or the fact that they show civilians using guns to protect themselves from criminals, err sorry, I guess that be civilians protecting themselves from 'victims' for you.

I think you have more than a bit of bias and it is showing.

is trying to mold the J/PS forum into his own little brand of dictatorship.

What's wrong with NEWS ARTICLES from the "Armed Citizen"?

Quotes from months or years ago can hardly be considered newsworthy. In order to prevent this thread from getting clutterred with them (a common pro-gunner ploy), I wrote the first guideline.

If you diaggree with the guidelines, then don't enter these threads. And I'm not trying to be a dictator - rather, I'm trying to keep these threads from being sunk by the dictatorship of narrow-minded pro-gunners who are trying to obfuscate the fact that there are more stories EVERY DAY about people falling victim to guns than there are about people using guns for defense.

and you and the mods are enforcing a non-DU rule. Gotcha.

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Or at least that is what my area's newspaper says in its ads.

news Pronunciation Key (nz, nyz)
pl.n. (used with a sing. verb)

1. Information about recent events or happenings, especially as reported by newspapers, periodicals, radio, or television.

2. A presentation of such information, as in a newspaper or on a newscast.

3. New information of any kind: The requirement was news to him.

4. Newsworthy material: “a public figure on a scale unimaginable in America; whatever he did was news” (James Atlas).


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Based on this definition, those old quotes are not "news".

They fit at least 3 of your 4 definitions, and might actually even fit all 4.

It is just because YOU do not want them to be posted that you are complaining about them being old.

How can something that originally appeared in the newspaper several month old be considered "new"?

use your own definitions.

new

1. Having existed, or having been made, but a short time; having originated or occured lately; having recently come into existence, or into one's possession; not early or long in being; of late origin; recent; fresh; modern; -- opposed to old, as, a new coat; a new house; a new book; a new fashion. ``Your new wife.'' --Chaucer.

2. Not before seen or known, although existing before; lately manifested; recently discovered; as, a new metal; a new planet; new scenes.

3. Newly beginning or recurring; starting anew; now commencing; different from has been; as, a new year; a new course or direction.

4. As if lately begun or made; having the state or quality of original freshness; also, changed for the better; renovated; unworn; untried; unspent; as, rest and travel made him a new man.

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Your qoutes from "The Armed Citizen" were not new - therefore, they were not "news".

keep searching but I don't believe you'll find support for your position regarding the definition of "news".

I was simply providing the definition of "new" to show that your old quotes were not "new", and not "news".

And not news.

DU rules say "Do not spam the message board" and my posting of several different articles that were originally printed in newspapers can hardly be spam in a thread for articles about guns.

Skinner owns DU and he has the right to make any decision he chooses. However, I don't see how my posting several news articles in a thread for news articles can be called spamming. In my case, I am Skinner's guest and I will abide by his decision without argument

Skinner also wrote "But we do not generally enforce guidelines which a thread starter tries to impose on a thread. We won't stop you from trying, but we also will not enforce rules that don't come from us." It looks you have a personal problem.

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The definition of news includes "New information of any kind:"

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

It was quite obvious, Jody, that you posted all of them in an attempt to clutter this thread to the point that people would stop coming into it. It didn't work.

BTW, I don't know Thomas Jefferson's mother's maiden name. Using your "logic", if you posted her maiden nname in this thread, that would make it "news". It doesn't - it just makes it a piece of information.

In my opinion a moderator made a mistake and took your 'guidelines' as a rule and got overzealous.

As to the Spamming you could say the exact same thing about EVERY story posted here.

I started these "GITN" threads because a few pro-gunners were complaining that there were too many threads in J/PS devoted to gun-related news items. This gave people the option of reading the gun-related stories, or skipping them entirely by not opening the thread.

And now they're still complaining......

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I dont want either pro- or anti- gun news stories clogging J/PS.

What will happen with this is that we will have one 'GITN' thread and a buncha 'Defensive Gun USe' threads.

It would be better for everybody if they were all stuck in one thread.

By any stretch of the word.

They just werent/arent widely known news.

...more than 24 hours ago. So they did not satisfy Guideline #1.

That is an artifical 'guideline' set up by a starter of a thread.

According to DU rules, it is not binding to the rest of the thread.

I'll abide by his decision.

guidelines which a thread starter tries to impose on a thread. We won't stop you from trying, but we also will not enforce rules that don't come from us."

What new thing have you asked Skinner to decide?

Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=7022

I made my case in reply #1. Skinner said he'd look into it in Reply #4. And in a private message,I sent Skinner a link to this post so he could make a decision.

"The body of a southeast Houston storeowner was found in the store's bathroom. Police said she had been shot to death.
According to officials, a customer walked into the Stop-N-Shop, 5417 Harrisburg, around 11 a.m. and found it empty. After a short search around the store, the customer discovered the body of Nguyen Lu.
Lu, known around the neighborhood as Kim, was remembered as a loving, hardworking mother of three young girls. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031112/lo_kprc/1874870

"A 31-year-old man was shot in a parked car in a parking garage at Station Square during the night.
According to police, around 2 a.m. a woman heard four gunshots and someone scream. The man was shot at least one time in the back. Less than an hour later the man died at a local hospital. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031113/lo_wtae/1875360

"A Marion County judge sentenced the carjacker who held an assault rifle on two Indianapolis Colts players to 27 years in prison.
Superior Court Judge Grant Hawkins cited Brian Varnado's low intelligence as a factor in giving him less than the maximum sentence of about 51 years.
"I do think the man was manipulated," Hawkins said. "He's not the brains of this operation." "

http://www.indystar.com/articles/3/092382-4043-009.html

The "brains" of the operation are working for the corrupt gun industry, trying to put more of these guns on the street.

It's being discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=217047

Disgraceful.

Remarkably civil for a "gun" thread.

Another law abiding responsible gun owner in action


"Police in Pittsburg were searching for a gunman who shot two people after a traffic dispute.
Investigators say the man pulled alongside the victims' car near East Leland and Railroad Ave. Wednesday afternoon, accused the driver of cutting him off, and then fired several times. The driver was shot in the arm, and a passenger was shot in the back, but neither of the injuries was life-threatening."


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kpix/20031113/lo_kpix/8356

COLUMBUS | They carried their handguns in the open in holsters Wednesday, walking in circles around the Statehouse to protest the inability of Gov. Bob Taft and the state legislature to enact legislation permitting them to carry concealed weapons.

"We’re here to demonstrate to the legislature that this is the choice they have left us," said Pete Brucken, 38, a computer engineer from New Carlisle.

Carrying handguns openly is permitted under Ohio law while carrying concealed weapons is not.

Brucken was among 125 handgun-carrying demonstrators at the peaceful rally organized by Ohioans for Concealed Carry Inc.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/1113guns.html">Scores carry handguns openly to press point

For what it's worth, Pete Brucken is a good friend of mine.

MADISON — The state Senate approved a revision of a bill Tuesday that would allow people who meet certain requirements to carry concealed weapons except to exempted places such as taverns.

Gov. Jim Doyle reiterated his opposition to the legislation, which he said was riddled with problems and would do nothing to improve safety in Wisconsin.

The Senate on a voice vote approved the bill, which the Assembly amended last week in an effort to generate more support among Democratic lawmakers. It now goes to Doyle for his consideration.

http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_13160651.shtml">Senate sends gun bill to governor

According to police, it was around 1:30pm Thursday when the three entered the Playaz Gear store in the Victory Corner Shopping Center in the 4000 block of Victory Boulevard. One of the suspects was armed with a gun.

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Police say he chased the three out of the store, and eventually got into a physical confrontation with the suspects.

Isnail then managed to take the gun away from one of the suspects and began using it as a blunt object to hit the three.

Police say the three got into their vehicle to drive away. As they were leaving, Isnail beat the gun against the back window with enough force to break it.

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