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MisterK Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:44 PM
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Petition to force guns into Republican Congressional offices, Fox news, AM Radio, etc
I say we should start a petition drive to see if Republicans who flaunt the second amendment have the courage of their convictions.

All republican Congressional offices, all Republican social and political events, conservative Supreme Court offices, senate offices of those who flaunt the second amendment, the RNC headquarters , talk radio stations, Fox news divisons, all things republican. .

Lets see if they have the courage of their convictions . Ill give you details as they become available. Any help in these things would be greatly appreciated . Someone with experience in these types of matters welcome..

ksecus@att.net


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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:45 PM
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1. I like it
:toast:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:47 PM
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2. two words Harvey Milk
letting guns into Congressional offices is a spectacularly bad idea.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:49 PM
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4. I think that's the point. They're going to call them out on the hypocrisy...
Because you know they'll never allow it.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:50 PM
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5. Harvey Milk was killed by a conservative, fellow supervisor
I sure wouldn't want Barney Frank in a building in which Senator Coburn had a gun.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:55 PM
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9. It's not going to happen.
Edited on Mon May-25-09 04:56 PM by Drunken Irishman
They won't allow guns for that very reason. So if you demand these places allow guns, it brings to light their concerns and these people -- who often side with the NRA -- will have to admit it's appropriate for some places to not allow guns.

Then the whole foundation of their argument crumbles.

I don't believe the poster really feels we should allow guns in Congress. But if we make the Republican pro-gun members of congress defend why it isn't allowed, well then they contradict themselves.
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MisterK Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:59 PM
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10. exactly
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 04:03 PM
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35. a wee bit of history
Thomas Joseph Dodd (May 15, 1907 – May 24, 1971) was a United States Senator and Representative from Connecticut, was the first Senator censured by the US Senate since Joseph McCarthy in 1954, and was one of only six people censured by the Senate in the 20th century. He is the father of U.S. Senator Christopher Dodd.

He was strong proponent of gun control. From 1961 on, he chaired a Senate committee championing increased Federal gun control laws, culminating as principal author and chief sponsor of Gun Control Act of 1968.

He also had his Colt 1908 Vest Pocket Model pistol publicly clatter to the floor in the Senate Chamber when it fell out of his pocket.

Carl Rowen was not the first DC resident who felt HIS right to self-defense trumped those laws they demanded be applied to other people.

Hippo-crates, you say?
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MisterK Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:47 PM
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3. I figure
I figure if they can force guns into National Parks etc, why not.
Lets play.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:15 PM
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16. Yeah, nobody ever took a gun into a National Park before.
You aren't really serious about this shit, are you?
:eyes:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:51 PM
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6. YAwn ...another anti gun nut post. Another lame attempt to divde the DU community.
Over 50% of Dems and DU members own guns ....get over it.
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MisterK Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:55 PM
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7. I
I have no problem with responsible gun ownership.

Force them on us, force them on them.

Its just common sense. They want guns in schools and parks. I say thats a bad idea to force them in places like these.

Lets see if they have the courage of their convictions or this is just lip service
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:12 PM
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13. How about you put up a sign in your front yard saying "Gun-free Home"
Will you put up ... or shut up?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:13 PM
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15. You use the words "want" and "force" carelessly. No one is going to "force" anyone to carry a gun...
into a park or school and no one is saying they "want" everyone to carry guns in to parks and schools.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:27 PM
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28. Criminals have guns in the parks and schools right now. Don't be silly.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:40 AM
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44. Oh goody, more us v. them stuff.
All of the worry about the "other" never gets anything done. Make it about issues, not the person on the other side of the issue. The market of ideas, man.
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votingupstart Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:23 PM
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20. second
look it like asking a fat kid to eat cupcakes - you/me/we/people are not going to win this one - move on - reliable sustainable renewable energy anyone
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jehovas_waitress Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:55 PM
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8. any private business has the right to say "No guns" allowed.
No one can carry into any business with a sign at the door that says you can't. AM radio, Fox News, RNC etc won't happen. And I suspect there are already plenty of guns that are out of view in Congressional offices.

There are a good number of Democrats that support the 2nd Amendment too.
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PT945 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:22 PM
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25. Not true in my state
A "No Guns" sign in my state holds no legal weight. If an employee happens to notice someone carrying, they can ask them to leave. Thats all. Of course if you refuse they can get you for trespassing. It is illegal to carry in a Police Department, Courthouse, etc.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:08 PM
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11. "Gun-free zones" are not gun free unless access is tightly controlled
A "gun-free" park or college campus can never be properly secured, and only keeps law-abiding people from being able to defend themselves. A congressional office building is a whole other animal. It certainly can be kept in a high state of security, and a reasonable degree of confidence can be held that all parties inside are in fact unarmed. This distinction is why some places are more appropriate for "gun-free zones" than others.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:08 PM
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12. This is the kind of thinking I like to call "Rovian"..
Love it, GREAT IDEA
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MisterK Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:12 PM
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14. Guys like Glen Beck brag about carrying
Edited on Mon May-25-09 05:14 PM by MisterK
I wanna be able to protect myself and carry a gun into his office also(If I so choose)
Its only right....

Rovian indeed :)
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:43 PM
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30. Is Fox news indeed a gun gree zone?
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:57 PM
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17. i think they are already allowed
i remember a little while back they talked about congress people keeping guns in their office

but if we take your scenario...why stop there, why dont we also "force" guns into democratic congressional offices of dems who support gun rights....its only fair
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:11 PM
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18. The ban on firearms in all federal buildings probably should be examined.

For example, people should definately be able to carry into the post office. People are often sending and receiving things of value and it makes no sense to have to disarm to go to your PO Box.

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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:22 PM
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19. Democrats too.
We don't need to force them. Just allow the darn things. Everywhere.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:49 PM
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21. The Democrats voted for this and Obama signed it, I'll guess we'll have weapons in the White House.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:21 PM
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24. We already do, in the hands of the security force that protects Obama...
and check out the firepower of Obama's security vehicle on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emcrboJnfik
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Union Label Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:19 PM
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40. That suv isn't President Obama's
Thats a 2006 GMC and there isn't anything that old being used on his security detail.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:44 AM
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45. TR kept a 1903 Colt on his nightstand.
in the White House. Years later, in 1917, at the age of 59 and riddled with malaria, a detached retina, a bullet in his chest, and several other debilitating diseases he sought to raise a volunteer infantry division for World War I. Fortunately for the Germans, Woodrow Wilson refused.

By the the time of Teddy Roosevelt's death in 1919, the Vice President at the time, Thomas R. Marshall: "Death had to take him sleeping, for if Roosevelt had been awake there would have been a fight."

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As President, Roosevelt held the ideal that the Government should be the great arbiter of the conflicting economic forces in the Nation, especially between capital and labor, guaranteeing justice to each and dispensing favors to none. Still not a bad concept!

He was the driving force behind the organization of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice in 1903, as a means of realizing the Board’s objective of teaching marksmanship skills to civilians. He started the tradition of sending a personally signed letter of congratulations to the winners of the "President's Hundred" kept so far by every President of the United States, so far, except Bill Clinton.
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sl8 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:57 PM
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22. Force?
Edited on Mon May-25-09 07:04 PM by sl8
You want to force guns on people in order to intimidate another political party?

Gosh, that doesn't sound very democratic. Or Democratic, for that matter.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:14 PM
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23. Nobody has ever used this bit of brainless
sophistry on DU before...how novel and progressive of you.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:23 PM
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26. Umm, pro second amendment
has nothing to do with forcing anyone to own a gun. It gives them the right to, nothing more.

Like the ACLU is pro-free speech right? So it would make as much sense to "force" a bunch of neo-nazis to march up and down the halls of their offices screaming racist epithets day and night to show them the error of their ways (supporting our constitutional rights is apparently the wrong thing to do).
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:25 PM
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27. You are suggesting getting rid of security on high profile targets.
Do we get to have the secret service protecting us at the grocery store? No. They have their own security team and policies in place to protect people and places that really do need protection.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:38 PM
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29. Are we also going to force them
On the offices of our democratic representatives that are also pro RKBAs? cuz there's quite a few of them out there now a days as well.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:44 PM
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31. Is Fox news a gun free zone?
How about talk radio? I have never been to either so I wouldn't know if they are posted as being a no carry zone.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:54 PM
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34. Can't say about Fox News, but when I used to watch Don Imus...
in the morning when his radio program was simulcasted on MSNBC, I often noticed that he carried a weapon. I've heard that he has a New York City concealed carry permit. This permit is rarely, if ever, issued to the average citizen. You have to be rich, have political influence or be a celebrity to get one.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 04:43 PM
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36. I understand Lars Larsen is another who carries a gun
Don't know if he carries in the studio.

I heard from friends in the know that Jim Quinn who is a syndicated RWingnut who broadcasts from Pittsburgh carries openly - again I don't know if he does so in the studio.

I think a number of radio hosts especially those on the Right carry.

From what I've heard from some Wingnut callers if I was a liberal host I'd be considering carrying. Anyone remember the murder of Alan Berg? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:23 PM
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37. I have nothing against concealed carry by anyone...
who has had a background check and sufficient training.

I do disagree with those cities or states that only grant the privilege to those who are rich, politically influential or celebrities.

When only the elite are allowed to legally carry or own weapons it reminds me of feudalism. I don't feel the typical honest citizen should be treated as a vassal while some well connected people are afforded the status of a lord.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 06:54 PM
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39. I agree with you when only the rich & connected can get a license
Edited on Tue May-26-09 06:54 PM by RamboLiberal
That is WRONG. IMHO if a state/city allows any gun and/or carry permits then it should be a shall-issue so everyone with a clean record and no mental health problems should be able to get one.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:03 AM
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41. Alan Berg actually applied for a CCW permit
Problem was, Colorado was "may issue" at the time, and the Denver police chief, Ari Zavaras, took the point of view that being in fear of your life was insufficient reason to be granted a permit (Zavaras issued a grand total of 45 permits, in a city of half a million). He first tried to talk Berg out of applying, and when Berg applied anyway, turned down the application.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:00 AM
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43. May issue is statism at its worst.
Shall issue should be rule of the land.

State is allowed to put any set of requirements they want (criminal, mental, training, testing, even insurance) however once they set the standard ANYONE who meets the standard can apply and get license.

Just as we do with drivers license. Imagine if your local sheriff got to decide who has a "need" to drive a car.

I expect 2nd amendment challenges (once incorporation challenges open that door) on may issue system. Either no issue or shall issue.

Good thing their are no racist or homophobe sheriffs otherwise lots of citizens civil rights would get trampled. Nope that has never happened in the US. Always good to put huge amount of power in hands of single person. Just what founding fathers wanted.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:12 PM
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32. I partially agree.
I agree, any place of business should allow firearms on the premises. Certainly the people who work there should be allowed to carry firearms, or at least store them in their cars in the parking lot.

I do not agree with allowing firearms in government facilities.

The reason is that government facilities are frequently places of highly emotional, controversial activities and government officials are highly visible, public targets for angry people.

It is a matter of reasonable risk.

An average citizen walking down the street is of little increased risk of attack if concealed carry is allowed on that street.

A judge in a courtroom would be under considerably increased risk of attack if concealed carry were allowed in the courtroom.

I suspect most pro-firearm folks would agree with my position.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:33 PM
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33. As a pro-firearm guy, I agree with you...
Where I worked before I retired, I never had any urge to carry a weapon while at work. However, I did have to drive to and from work. For years I worked the late night shift and always had a firearm in my vehicle.

I believe in reasonable limitations on where you can carry a weapon. Florida law is basically reasonable to me. I would like to see a change so that concealed carry by very well trained individuals would be allowed in schools and colleges. Perhaps such people, who would be required to pass a very high standard, could be issued a different class of carry license.



The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 06:00 PM
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38. I don't believe any of the pro-RKBA people on this forum would agree with forcing anyone
To accept other people bringing firearms into their private spaces.
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Israfel4 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:59 AM
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42. When I visited Austin TX a couple years ago I noticed
that it was OK to carry a concealed handgun in the Capital building!!!
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