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AlexanderProgressive (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:02 PM Original message |
GAO Ties U.S. Guns to Mexico Violence |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. Guns don't kill people |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Hey Asturias, went to Juarez three weeks ago |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. The local news here in El Paso |
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BeerGuy (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Need more facts |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Let's see what the report itself says, rather than the WSJ says it says |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's some funny shit. I didn't know the WSJ wrote that much humor. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. Where are they getting the rocket launchers and grenades from? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. At the neo nazi gun show booth where you have to know the secret handshake to get the good stuff. |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
64. Shhh, don't tell them about the handshake! |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
66. The stuff sure isn't coming from the shows here in El Paso |
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AlexanderProgressive (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. How many rocket launchers have they used, as far as you know? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. not that you'll believe Mexico.gov evidence, see post 27 |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's probably about guns Made in the US |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Ah, *there's* the pill in the jam |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. US made guns can go to Colombia and end in Mexico |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
67. hey can also be legally exported to the mexican government, and end in the hands of the cartels. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. Mexico's southern border is even more porous than the north... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. The US didn't supply too many M16s to the Contras |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
10. Since the US government sells m16's to Mexico, |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
12. Except a whole lot of those U.S. guns are only available to governments and law enforcement. |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Thats a lot of AR platform stuff... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Yep. And the frag grenades and M203 rounds.... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
14. Really? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
15. No matter how many times this story gets repeated it's still horse shit |
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Deadric Damodred (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
16. I don't believe that for one second. |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. That sums it up. |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
17. I want to know just WHEN.. |
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Deadric Damodred (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. The antis will use anything they can latch on to. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. "use anything they can latch on to" and make up lies when all else fails. Not to worry, Obama has |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
19. Wall Street Journal is reich-wing and Murdoch-owned |
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AlexanderProgressive (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The complete report is out |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. hahahahahaha, you mean the one where |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
23. Doesn't the answer to this lie in tightening the border, which Mexico opposes? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Let's see GAO "tie" these to a Walmart in Houston |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Uh oh. I better go check on my stuff in the shed. nt |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
30. hmmm |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You're not paying attention, are you? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Ever see a journalist that did? |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I answered |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. why is it |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Because we can actually evaluate.. |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. so |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. *sigh* |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. So |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Wow, seriously? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. MichaelHarris, your mission, should you decide to accept it, |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. want a cracker |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Seriously. We've already explained this stuff over and over. nt |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. so |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. There's a difference between data, and interpretation of data |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. so |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Saying something three times doesn't make it true.. |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. evidently |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. So because the GAO says it, it must be true? |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Because |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Because.. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I'm not disputing the numbers |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Dude, you need a course in critical thinking |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Just a helpful correct ion MH. The 3% stat describe homocides by rifle not crimes in general. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Rifles are used in less than 1% of nonfatal violent crimes |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
73. You're confused. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. Repetition isn't helping. Maybe you should be shrieking louder? n/t |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
41. I look forward to see more complete data sets and not speculation fromt he GAO |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
43. Here is a link the actual GAO report. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. More twists than a pretzel.. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. aikoaiko, thanks for the link to the statement by Jess T. Ford, Dir. International Affairs and Trade |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
46. Any product or service with the return on investment as high as illegal drugs can never be banned, |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
60. This is the new stimulus package for U.S. gun manufacturers... |
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taurus145 (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Don't ask for the promise of another ban |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Yea, I was pricing a Siaga in .410 bore for my wife. $900 - Wow. N/T |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
68. How many of those US guns were sent by the US Goverment to the Mexican Government? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Could it be that the Mexican government wants to disarm Americans? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
70. Why would the Mexican cartels want a US semi-auto AK clone. |
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