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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 05:44 PM
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ATF puzzles over newest arms meme
I never heard of the "South Korean Gunshow" . Is it up in Houston ?


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Pharr Texas -- It was a scenario U.S. law enforcement had long feared: A fragmentation grenade from Mexico's bloody drug war tossed into a public place.

Only the grenade thrower's bumbling prevented bloodshed in a south Texas bar - he neglected to pull a second safety clasp. But the act was proof that one of the deadliest weapons in Mexico's drug battle is a real threat to the U.S., and investigators are stepping up efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. While Mexican drug violence has been spilling across the border in the form of kidnappings and killings, grenades are a particular worry because they can kill large numbers of people indiscriminately, and they are a weapon of choice among Mexican cartel members.


and the best part >>

After the grenade bounced off the floor and landed on a pool table, an off-duty police officer picked it up and threw it back out the door. No one was hurt, no arrests were made, and authorities are divided about whether the targets were rival gang members or off-duty police officers.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DRUG_WAR_GRENADES_IN_AMERICA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 05:59 PM
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1. what does your header mean?

I never heard of the "South Korean Gunshow" . Is it up in Houston ?

What does that mean?


The grenade that failed to explode in the bar in Pharr, Texas, had the same markings as grenades thrown in October at the U.S. consulate in Monterrey, Mexico, and at a television station in early January in the same city. The grenade thrown at the consulate failed to explode, and no one was injured when the grenade hit the Televisa network's studio as it aired its nightly newscast.

But all three grenades were manufactured at the same time and place, and were at one point together in the same batch from South Korea. Their manufacture date was unavailable.

The United States and South Korea rank as the top two producers of the grenades seized in Mexico, according to the ATF.

Grenades were mostly isolated to southern Mexico in the early days of the drug war and gradually moved northward as the government's attack on the cartels intensified and drug traffickers sought heavier arms.

American firearms agents began taking a harder look at the grenade threat from Mexico after explosives popped up at spots not far from the U.S. border.

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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 06:27 PM
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3. It's a clusmy play on 'mexican drug war guns come from US gun shows' theme
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 06:58 PM
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5. Yes !
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 06:00 PM
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2. I wonder where the grenades come from?...
The grenades sold legally to help U.S. allies in the region are snatched by corrupt soldiers who get paid by former colleagues, then cover their tracks by altering paperwork. Grenades then wind through Central America and Mexico, selling for $100 when bought individually and $50 apiece when purchased in bulk, according to the ATF.

ATF officials said the United States keeps tight controls over its own grenade inventories and that it knows of no grenades recovered in Mexico that were taken directly from American military supplies.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DRUG_WAR_GRENADES_IN_AMERICA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 06:31 PM
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4. None too surprising.
If they can get the drugs into this country, it's only a matter of time before the weapons start coming in too. If we have leaned ANYTHING from Prohibition, it's that as long as you create a completely extralegal black market for something, it's going to encourage further lawlessness. Hell, we managed to smuggle cameras, counterfeit money, and radio sets into the most secure POW camps in Nazi Germany during World War II; don't anyone think that we can REALLY seal off the border.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:01 PM
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6. But I thought the grenades were being bought up at U.S. gun shows?!
Weird, 'cause I've been all over the shows here in Arizona, and haven't been able to get any. I guess they are sold out before I get there...

Really? Do I have to? O.K., here you go: :sarcasm:
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:36 PM
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7. It must be budget time
As this happened 8 months ago .

And the scoop :

The sheriff in Hidalgo Co said on the toob that there was no link to the the cartel -the mayor in McAllen swears up and down that there is no cross border crime , and that it is all a figment of the governor, racists , and the medias vivid and spiteful imaginations .

How does all that pan out over your way ?

My guns and grenades arent their problem .
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