New Handgun that may be banned...

which I could believe, those suckers are tough, and mean.

You don't want to wound one of them, either stay far away or kill it, avoid half measures.

Need has nothing to do with it. We do not have to justify our purchases to a government bureaucrat. We pretty much buy what we want, if we can afford it, or go into debt if we can't afford it but are stupid enough to buy it anyway. It is called freedom.

I bet I could go into your residence and find lots of stuff that you don't need

Kinda like buying a backhoe to plant a daisy

Personally, I would not wish to fire that gun. I don't need a lifetime sprained wrist. It is waaay too nose heavy to be a balanced handgun. It can't be easily carried in a holster.

My reaction was to your use of the word, "need", implying that a person should show a need for an item before procuring it. In general, that idea is anti-freedom.

In light of your clarification, I see that you were asking, "What would someone do with it?"

If it were to be given to me, for a couple of weeks I would show it to my gun-enthusiast friends, then I would sell it, most likely by online auction. There are several sites that act as an e-bay for guns, except that the actual delivery has to be to a dealer that can handle the paperwork.

Look - I see no reason to ban guns. I'd rather they stay far away from folks at his events.

I even think Machine Guns should be legal - for those who have the cash to burn and the appropriate safe range to shoot them.

I misunderstood your first post. Thanks for the clarifications.

i certainly don't NEED my BMW fwiw.

i have worked hard , save plenty of money for retirement, and bought one as a gift ot myself a few years back.

i certainly do not NEED it. but it's my money, it gives me pleasure, and it's my choice.

personally, i only own ONE gun. not a "gun nut" certainly (although a total NUT when it comes to civil rights. i support them including RKBA).

A hog, particularly the big ones they have trouble with down south, can require a lot of power to take down. But using a handgun for that is simply the wrong tool. Fortunately in this case, the story is not true.

An original thought, right off the mark.

Not.

I think you forgot to tell us that when seconds count, the cops are minutes away ...

Now, toss in your little bit of misrepresentation there (Taverner said nothing that implied that absence of need justifed prohibition), and it looks like you're going to fit right in.

We have reached a point of mutual understanding regarding "need" and this gun.

Regarding: I think you forgot to tell us that when seconds count, the cops are minutes away ...
, since this gun is not intended for self-defense and would be a very poor self-defense gun, I didn't see the need for anyone to be reminded of that truth. Perhaps, in another thread on concealed carry I may, or may not, remind you.

The post I addressed said all I needed to know.

another oldie but goodie.

seen in nearly every gun thread.

Not good, but never old.

Maybe an innie......

before the stereotyping begins.

are really just covering for their own insecurities.

Every time you say something like that, you're simply letting others know that you're uncertain of your orientation and insecure with your own equipment.

if that is the only thing you can come up with.

for those who don't get it. Apparently you haven't seen the many penis posts lately.

Was it your gym teacher or your Catholic priest? That you liked to compare with.

But they do make me laugh.

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an expensive luxury with limited use.

However it is unlikely to be dangerous to anything but the wrists of those firing it.

I don't imagine a lot of gang members are lining up to spend 16 grand to get this for their next drive by. Expensive bullets, ridiculous recoil, a very recognizable weapon and round, and no way of concealing it. These are not the guns that you need to worry about getting shot by.

Unless of course it was painted black.

It's been designed and made as a curiosity. Some collectors might want one, but it has no real practical use. Smallest revolver; biggest revolver...that piques the collector market. Whatever.

It has no practical use and it's overpriced.


Instead of labeling almost half of the adults in this country "morons", however, I think I'll just respect their choice and not disparage their intelligence.

are going to buy a $16K revolver that's likely to break their wrist the first time they fire it? Pistols are good firearms. This one's just a bizarre oddity, aimed at collectors of bizarre oddities.

Do you not bother to read what people write? I didn't say that all gun owners are morons. Just the ones willing to spend that much money on a completely impractical firearm. No doubt the maker will sell a number of these things. Most will never be fired. The same people will buy the smallest firearm ever made. Morons.

Firearms are tools. This is like a four-foot long #1 phillips screwdriver. Interesting, but useless.

That said, I have no argument with you about the usefulness of this firearm.

What I do take issue with is your classification of anybody who buys this gun as a "moron".

Firearms may be tools, but they're also collectibles (and/or oddities, at times). If somebody has $16k to spend and wants to spend it on this particular item, I don't see how that makes them a "moron"...any more than somebody who would spend $16k on a diamond engagement ring is a moron.

... you might want to revise your snap judgments regarding this weapon's recoil.

From the Pfeifer Waffen website:
That's a claim that had better stand up in court. Personally, I'm prepared to believe it, since the pistol weighs six kilos (13.2 pounds), more than most rifles. By contrast, even the largest model S&W 500 X-frame clocks in at just over 5 pounds. I've fired a S&W 500, incidentally, and though the recoil was sufficiently punishing that I didn't want to fire more than five rounds, and my wrist ached for a day, it didn't come close to breaking anything.

I'll grant you that the "four-foot phillips" is a good analogy, though. If you're going to be firing this kind of round, why use a less stable platform than a rifle?

I've yet to hear of anyone being killed by this gun.

Whereas, given what I've read about the diamond industry, there is a fair chance at least one person was killed (and many enslaved, beaten and maimed) in the production of that 16 thousand dollar diamond.

But of course that's completely different, diamonds are socially acceptable, regardless of how many people are harmed in the process, whereas guns are not, regardless of how few people they harm.

i am personally against the drug war fwiw. but if a drug user buys (for example) some mexican tar heroin, they are supporting an industry that has killed THOUSANDS and still does every day in mexico.

unlike diamonds.

Of course I think it should be legal.

Mostly because if it were we could regulate how it was produced, and remove the criminal element. Tobacco kills far more people, but no one is killed in the production or distribution, only those who voluntarily partake. I wouldn't have a problem with heroin junkies dying, if they chose to partake, as long as innocents are left alone.

that's why i am against the war on drugs.

well, definitely on pot.

For heroin, cocaine, crack, meth, and the rest I'd favor having designated areas where their use is tolerated, and as long as you stay there you won't be tried.

I think the same on prostitution.

i take this approach.

pot should be either decrim'd (as it is in many jurisdiction in the US) and TAXED.

fwiw, it is de facto decrim'd even where it isn't officially. i have seen cops on MANY occasions throw away pot when they catch people with a small quantity. those cases never make it into criminal justice stats, but it is NOT uncommon. it's actually quite common in many areas, mine included.

i suggest that marijuana should be decrim'd. as a way to make it less offensive and scary - this needs to be done incrementally. decrim possession (and growing) of SMALL quantities, but make it an infraction to smoke IN PUBLIC. iow, smoking it's ok, but not at a public park or other places like that.

and tax it.

you are in possession of an ounce of MJ WITHOUT a "one ounce tax stamp" and it's a heavy fine. that incentivizes peoople to buy the stamps (they could be vended in vending machines for anonymity)

fwiw, vancouver canada DOES have designated areas where you can (for example) shoot heroin without fear of "the law". not sure it's worked out great so far, as vancouver has a pretty heinous violent crime rate (worse than seattle when comparing demo to demo) but that's hardly a causal certainty.

but putting people in PRISON for possessin a powder or liquid that only harms themself if they abuse it (and i distinguish between USE and ABUSE) *is* , as we used to say in rhode island "wicked retahded"

rhode island btw (fun fact) does not criminalize prostitution as long as it meets certain criteria. very strange laws in that state

Great movie.

bullshit.
I hope people understand that no guns have actually been "banned" in the US - they just cost more to buy. The entire "assault weapons ban" of the last few years was total nonsense. It really banned nothing, just required the use of US made parts in imported rifles, resulting in higher prices....and the "pre-ban" versions became instant collectables.


mark

For starters, Pfeifer Waffen is a real company: http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/html/index.php
And they actually do make the revolver, which they call the Zeliska: http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/html/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=15

And there certainly are weapons that have been banned, albeit specifically banned for import by the ATF. This gun has a bore with a width over .5 inch, which means that ATF can class it as a "destructive device" and prohibit it being imported. Examples where this has happened include the Franchi SPAS-12 and the South African Striker shotguns.

They thought is was hysterical - except for a few who really wanted one immediately. Guns have been banned from being imported, but the guns that have already made it into the US are still salable. The Chinese-made version of the SKS rifle-exported by NORINCO-was banned from being imported into the US by the Clinton administration. Before the bann, they sold for maybe $70, sometimes with a CASE of Chinese military surplus ammo thrown in, still for around $85. After the bann, they were selling for over $100. I just sold one of mine last month for nearly $300. Still have one left, but I'm keeping it. BTW, the Chinese ammo was also banned as were other Chinese arms exported by NORINCO. They made a great .45 automatic pistol - copy of the Colt 1911A1 - it's a shame.

mark

Just like the .700 nitro and the 577 T-rex.

The SPAS-12 and the Striker fire regular 12-gauge shotgun rounds, after all, just like a thousand other guns, but that didn't stop them from being classed "destructive devices." I don't know if the ATF would ban the import of the Zeliska, but if they wanted to, I'm sure they could come up with an excuse, most likely that the sporting exemption for the .600 Nitro doesn't apply to handguns.

Yo en lo personal no compraria una. Pero no veo nada malo en que alguien pudiera encontrarle uso deportivo o solo el simple hecho de tenerla como coleccion.

Xela

this might make me sign up.

now THAT is some stupid looking shit

600 nx is over a hundred years old and made for elephant guns "big game"

I would not shoot 600nx for 1k
now with the below Thompson Center you can have a nfa problem by putting a rifle barrel on a pistol frame and vice versa as they will all fit in most cases

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrXOuWhsU5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea_Q8C_67jY

with the t/c they paid for a barrel they can't handle

If you can think it they have a barrel for it and at under $250 for most barrels thats a hell of a deal for a new gun if you don't mind a slow followup http://www.thompson-barrels.com/Gallery.asp

that recoil should be manageable.

I would be afraid to try a cylinder full of rounds. Might be fun!

That includes some big game cartridges like .600 Nitro Express, and all shotguns.