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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:13 AM
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"Is there a connection between healthcare reform and gun rights?" (CSM)
Yes, if there’s a centralized medical database. It’s one reason some people are showing up armed at town hall meetings. (Christian Science Monitor)
“If this becomes law, there’s no place to escape” if the government wanted to use federal medical records to deem citizens “medically unfit” to carry a gun, says Mr. Pratt. “No trial, no due process, just gone.”

Pratt’s critics agree there are some legitimate privacy concerns around having a central medical data repository.

But they point to an independent 2008 report showing that 90 percent of so-called disqualifying records for a gun purchase are not in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). A central medical records system could, therefore, help enforce federal laws that ban those who have been adjudicated as a “mental defective” or who have spent time in a mental institution from buying a gun.

Making sure that those who don’t qualify for gun ownership under federal law are identified “is the public’s business,” says Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, in Washington. “But just being sick doesn’t prevent you from owning a gun.”

All we need is a bill giving the Atty. Gen. the authority to prohibit individuals from owning firearms and Sen. Lautenberg’s bill S 1317 does precisely that.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:19 AM
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1. Also junk...
There is no connection between this and Lautenberg's bill.

And the key point in the cited paragraph is 'adjudicated'. Meaning due process. When found unfit to possess firearms, you get due process. It's even possible to restore it once lost.

Feeding these records into NICS is a good idea. The VT massacre may not have occurred, had Cho's medical records been feed by the state into NICS. He should have been ineligable to purchase a firearm, but there was no link between the relevant databases.

I can't think of a reason why this could be a bad idea. You cannot be ajudicated 'mentally defective' by the stroke of an AG's pen. Please do not smear this issue with that other steaming piece of shit.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:31 AM
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2. S. 1317 does not require the Atty. Gen. to use "ajudicated 'mentally defective'". The authority is
absolute for example AtheistCrusader may be placed on a "watch list" such as "No Fly List" and an Atty. Gen may use that to deny you the right to own firearms.

Similarly veterans evaluated for PTSD may have their military medical records reviewed and denied the right to own firearms. That has already happened
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:41 AM
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3. S. 1317 is clearly unconstitutional.
Tying together medical records from the states, to NICS, so that the medically unfit are unable to purchase firearms on the open market is in no way related to S. 1317.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:12 PM
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5. I recommended it, by the way

Shining a light into the dungeon is always a good idea.
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grifter_tm Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:54 PM
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6. Might be a good idea...
if only to make sure that legitimate guns go into the hands of thoroughly responsible owners, not ticking timebombs.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:24 AM
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7. If we going are to "enforce the laws already on the books"...
...then it would help to have the tools to facilitate that. I can't disagree with the CSGV guy that it is absolutely in the public interest that those adjudicated as having mental problems that disqualify them from owning firearms be readily identifiable as such to firearm sellers.

Pratt, the guy from GOA, seems to have a rather overblown idea of what authority the executive branch of government has. The executive can't declare people "mentally unfit," because the executive can't adjudicate matters; that job falls to the judiciary. That means there has to be some form of judicial hearing.

That's not to say I particularly care for this or any other large-scale database. I was, and am, leery of any database associated with "Real ID" ("facilitating identity theft three time zones away!") and if anything, databases of medical information are even scarier. But I'm not going to get my panties in a wad because it might be used to enforce already existing law.
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