So, the NRA pours millions into advertising because "Obama will take the guns away"

if elected, and when he is elected, they give their friends in the industry a huge sales boost, including ammo makers and accessory manufacturers.


And the corncobs bit. What stupid assholes. Buying tons of guns because a Black man was elected President. Shows you how fucking ignorant the Rethuglican base really is. And how fucking dangerous.

ammo is short because of these people. Not just milspec stuff but pretty much all handgun ammo and rifle ammo is so high it is worth reloading. Which is a tedious time consuming task that is pointless when 9mm costs $8 a 100, at 30 a 100 it becomes worth the time.

It is a persuasive argument.

if the shoe fits....SU will wear it to the antis' prom.

then once you have eliminated all drugs in a functional ban I would be the first to not cast and reload my own ammo.

If you were to raise the tax on ammo to the point that it costs $5K/round, the criminal element would be the only ones left with ammo, because they'd just get it smuggled in, just like they already do with cocaine and heroin.

is a comedian. That is a comedy bit. It's funny because it is a gross overstatement. Only a caricature of an oblivious liberal would use it to try to make a serious point.

Krispos42 here at DU is a perfect example. People who know how many guns are enough and that guns aren't the focus of their lives. but these concobs buying thousands of rounds of ammo, what are they preparing for? if the house catches fire, EVERYONE in the neighborhood is in danger.

And just what the fuck are they gong to shoot at, aliens?

Statistically neighbors aren't in any danger from ammo in a house fire.

Hell if you store it in a wooden crate it isn't a danger to someone 2" away.

Lots of people buy ammo in bulk.

Someone who shoots competitively may shoot 200-500 rounds in a day of practice or competition.

So why buy ammo one day at a time. It takes up a lot of time, and Murphys law says the day you really need ammo they will be out.

Buy 2000 rounds and when you run low buy another 2000.

Hell .22 ammo use to be so cheap nobody would sell less than 500 at a time.

Personally, my primary reason for owning firearms is for defensive purposes. I don't hunt, and anything resembling sports shooting is incidental.

And as other posters have noted, ammunition cooking off doesn't present a huge risk if it's not in a firearm's chamber at the time. As it happens, the reason I don't keep my guns and ammo stored separately is because I only have one fire-resistant storage location, to wit my gun safe. Even if it were to get hot enough to cook off the ammo, the bullets certainly won't make it out of the safe.

And from what I understand (from something somebody posted some months ago about a conversation he had with the local fire chief), between improved building codes and increased use of smoke alarms, fires that consume entire buildings have become extremely rare, so much so that almost all younger firefighters have never had to deal with one.

My wife and I generally go through 200 rounds per range trip, rifle and pistol. Some people go through a thousand rounds a month.

Ammunition in a fire is only a hazard if it's loaded into the chamber of a firearm. Without the containment of a firearm chamber, they're just firecrackers (the case splits and vents). The primer cup is the most significant hazard, and even that won't penetrate a firefighter's protective gear, never mind an exterior wall.

BTW, the vast majority of gun owners (and gun-owning DU'ers) are nonhunters. I personally despise the term "sportsman" as trivial and sexist, but that's just me.

but these concobs buying thousands of rounds of ammo, what are they preparing for? if the house catches fire, EVERYONE in the neighborhood is in danger.

I once bought a thousand rounds of 7.62x39 for my AK-47, for emergency preparedness. It cost me $90 for the 1000 rounds.

I'd like to buy in bulk now but just can't afford it, so I buy 200 rounds at a time when I go shooting.

1000 rounds of ammo is not a lot of ammo. That is about 5 trips to the shooting range, and that's if I ration my ammo carefully to make it last.

When I go to the shooting range, I usually buy 200 rounds of 9mm, 100 rounds of .45, 50 rounds of .44 mag, and 500 rounds of .22LR. I shoot all of it in an afternoon, except for the .22LR, which I usually shoot half of the 500. It costs me about $150-$180.

I could easily shoot twice this much in an afternoon if I wanted to and could afford it.

I'd like to buy in bulk as it is very slightly cheaper to do so, and I would use the ammo.

Ammo burning in a fire is not very dangerous.

And the fire danger is straight from the movies. I've seen ammo tossed on a fire, nothing to worry about.

A Dillon Square Deal, 450, 550 and a Redding T-7 turret. I reload 9mm. I have a UZI. It eats a lot. 9mm brass is plentiful.

I really need to update it with 9mm for the reasons you mentioned.
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32 H&R mag, 380, 38/357, 38 Short Colt, 9mm, 40, 45, 5.56, 308, 8mm Mauser, 30-06 and 500 Mag.

I shoot in USPSA matches every Sunday from April until Oct. I go through +2,000 rounds a month.

Don't let the wingnuts intimidate you. They'd sure like to.
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On Brian Enos site, mention any political statement and you'll get TS'ed.

i have a lot of ammo :)

It has EVERYTHING to do with a Democrat who, in the past, has stated support for expanded gun control.

We'd be seeing the same reaction if Obama was white.

for pete's sake . two words. joyce foundation.

Playing the Race Card is a poor substitute for seeking a real understanding of the opposition's mindset.

so much for GD tonight.

And that ends my participation in this thread boys and girls.

Unless you've got some 'meat' like policy or legislative action to discuss, 'OMG THE NRAS!!!' isn't going to get a lot of mileage in here.

Most of us don't even like the NRA and are not members...

they hit the jack-pot when a black liberal democatic became president. the folks who are afraid that obama was going to take their guns got punk`d. obama is`t going to take away their guns or restrict the purchase to law abiding citizens.

Is he a liar?

:D

Seriously though I don't think Obama wants to ban guns. I don't think it is big on his agenda.

HOWEVER
it is kinda strange for people to get bent out of shape because other people think Obama may ban guns when...... Obama said he wanted to ban (some) guns!

He also stated he didn't believe DC gun ban (a complete ban on handguns) was unconstitutional. So a complete ban of multiple classes of weapons doesn't violate the 2nd in his mind (per his words true or not).

Crazy that people might take him at his word.

That being said I think Obama wants guns control to disappear because it is expensive in terms of political capital (and he was others thing he would like to spend it on) BUT if AWB2 gets to his desk he will sign it without blinking and make a big speech about saving cops, and preventing terrorist from getting guns that spray bullets, etc.

Thing is, most Democrats aren't really that liberal. DU isn't even close to mainstream Democrats in the United States of America. We love to bloviate the liberal line but most citizens couldn't give a shit less about politics. Dat's de troof, budz.

I can't wait for the prices to crash as Freepers max out their credit cards and not only are forced to stop buying, but actually sell their guns at a loss.

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With about 200 worth assesories and ammo. It felt awesome. I'm not sure if I will keep it or sell it for a profit to a knucklehead.

You're probably already at the high end of the price spectrum...

Once this run is over, the firearms market is going to be sooooo dry. Everyone selling, no one buying.

Pre-surge prices on AR's were generally in the $900 to $1400 range, depending on features, so if he got one for $900, prices are already at pre-surge levels.

I was thinking just the price of a good upper. Whole rifle, that's pre-surge prices all right.

Edit: Could be a really cheap one, like POF or something.

and buy again in a year. I'll keep the extra stuff though. :)

just because you have a hardon for guns...?

..and the suckers are the dumbfuck gun nuts.

think you can take away my guns. I'm a Democrat, a dedicated one, but that does not mean I'm willing to abdicate my Rights under the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. Change my mind, if you can...I'm listening.

:toast:

:evilfrown:

disgusting shit. I imagine you revel in doing it, though.

:P :P :P

It's the receiving orifice. They should try the Kegel exercise. Tighten things right up.

and say so.

now come and deny it you mealy-mouthed shit.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

insecure about your manhood are you??

she must have hit a nerve

i'm sure reveling in your poutrage!

poor Pangolin2

n/t

Or do you just like talking about penile extensions?

But what they probably were concerned about was that some type of firearm that they maybe, possibly, somewhere down the line would want to buy would be subject to ban by the time they got round to buying it. And as other posters have noted, this is not entirely unreasonable considering we're talking about a president who in his campaign materials talked about permanently reinstating a federal "assault weapons" ban, and earlier in his career had proposed banning all semi-automatic weapons.

So we're talking to a very large extent about people who didn't necessarily want to buy the guns, but didn't want to be deprived of the option to lay their hands on them at a later date. Who would buy a gun they thought was going to be confiscated? The buyers fully expected the weapons already in private hands to be grandfathered in (i.e. no confiscations).

And the interesting thing is that it's been a self-defeating prophecy. The volume of the run on semi-autos, ammunition and CCW permits does appear to have driven home to both the administration and the Democratic Congressional leadership how massively unpopular any new gun control legislation would be, and consequently, they've dropped the topic. Because there's too much of this stuff to explain away by pointing at Republicans alone: there have to be a lot of swing voters, and probably quite a few Democrats stocking up as well.

But what they probably were concerned about was that some type of firearm that they maybe, possibly, somewhere down the line would want to buy would be subject to ban by the time they got round to buying it. And as other posters have noted, this is not entirely unreasonable considering we're talking about a president who in his campaign materials talked about permanently reinstating a federal "assault weapons" ban, and earlier in his career had proposed banning all semi-automatic weapons.

Euromutt has it exactly right. This was precisely why I went out and bought an assault weapon after Clinton's assault weapon ban. Now I had to buy an SAR-1 which had been modified cosmetically to comply with the ban (bayonet lug ground off; certain number of US-made parts), but it was still a semi-automatic AK-47 that accepted high-capacity magazines. I went out and bought one, crippled as it was compared to what was available before, because I figured I better get one while I still could.

People I know who did not own guns, from several months before the election and forward, asked me about buying them for two commonly stated reasons:

1) Concern that economic collapse might happen and lead to widespread disorder.
2) If elected, as appeared likely, Obama was expected to sympathize with/initiate efforts to ban or restrict guns.

Remembering the election backlash after Clinton's "assault weapon" ban, and gun and ammo sales figures now, Obama, even if he might prefer otherwise, will refrain from pursuing gun restrictions at least for now.

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Did you have a point? A link to some of what this millions of dollars was spent on? Anything?

Just waxing philosophical?

We keep hearing this "people are guying guns because we have a black president".

Look. I'm sure there are racists out there who, through some twisted turn of logic, bought a gun because they felt it would somehow protect them from a black president.

But the vast majority of people bought them BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT SAID HE SUPPORTED A BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS both before and after he was elected. HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL FLOATED A BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS.

It is still on www.change.gov under urban policy, and, until a few months ago, it was on www.whitehouse.gov under urban policy.

People are buying guns because the last Democratic president banned firearms and this one has said he wants to do the same thing!

Also: On the whole "Obama will take the guns away" meme:

Not many people believe that an actual, active confiscation is near. But banning firearms is just as bad and just as effective as confiscation - it just takes longer.

If you ban the future sales of all AR-15 style rifles, for example, I can't buy one even if the existing ones are all left in circulation. You have thus taken that class of gun away from me because I can no longer own it, nor can my children or other future generations of Americans.

were just figments of the NRA's imagination, and not serious policy proposals? Good to hear.

Thankfully, the Obama administration has put the kibosh on that crap, and has made it clear that the "assault weapon" fraud and similar silly restrictions are dead beyond resurrection, although some DLC zealots (and some DU'ers) would like to pretend otherwise.

The NRA is doing it's thing because Obama has past remarks about gun control. (I don't believe we have anything to worry about, he won't say boo on gun control because he wants to be reelected.)

And gun makers, dealers and shops would naturally capitalize on this feeling because it's good business sense. (It may be morally suspect) but I can any type of business doing this to increase sales if there was worry that the product they sale would be banned or restricted.