Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) Opposes Lawful Gun Possession at Home

TPaine7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Thu Jun-18-09 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #37
73. For those of you who don’t already know iverglas,

Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 07:39 AM by TPaine7
I thought I'd help with the introductions:




Civilized, isn't it? Highly evolved. Refined. Doubtless iverglas is a fine example of what we should all strive to be.

Compare from yesterday (or so):



Source.http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


One "principle" of gun control and other pseudo pacifist BS is that it's always for the other guy. She can rule out violence for us in standing our ground in our own homes. That is perfectly proper, civilized, and evolved. Her defending her purse in public? Now that's different.

Your home. Her purse. Can you see the difference? Can you tell why one is worth defending with force and the other is not?

Sadly, many gun control advocates are like that. Your life, your children, your husband or wife, and your property are in one category--theirs in another. That is why, for instance, Mayor Bloomberg can wonder--with his bullet-proof limo and 24 hr armed detail--why anyone would want a gun. "Guns kill people." Gasp.

Debating hypocrites is embarrassing sometimes; it feels like boxing a paraplegic.

You are apparently pretending to allude to my statement:

He might give me the same advice he gave about coercing some responsibility-taking out of the co-vivant. Recognize that you are dealing with an adolescent boy ...

which was about a discussion you were not privy to, which discussion was about A 50-YEAR OLD (white Anglo-Saxon) MAN.

I think you knew that.

ah, my psychologist disagrees with you

Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 11:14 AM by iverglas

He - the Sigmund-Freud lookalike actual psychologist, you'll recall, not the misogynist quack masquerading as a psychiatrist - is absolutely convinced, in his professional opinion and with some 4+ decades of clinical experience, that I am not actually capable of engaging in violent behaviour.


He is a decent, honest and extremely intelligent chap. Not at all like many people I encounter. You'd never catch old N pretending that someone's words meant what they didn't mean. Nuh uh. In fact, that was the very subject matter of one of our discussions, and he just had no trouble at all distinguishing meaning from misrepresentation. If I see him again, I'll be sure to pass this all on, and we'll have a little chuckle.

He might give me the same advice he gave about coercing some responsibility-taking out of the co-vivant. Recognize that you are dealing with an adolescent boy who needs what he should have got a long time ago (in his case): one step at a time, clear, consistent setting of expectations to be met, and insistence that they be met.

So on that note: you will be expected to compose one post - just the one for now - devoid of deceit and disingenuousness. The task is time limited.

National Rape Statistics
• In the United States, over 70% of all rapes go unreported. (1)
• The United States has the highest rate of rape of any country that publishes such statistics; 13 times higher than
Great Britain and 20 times higher than Japan. (2)
• In 2000, there were 261,000 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. (1)
• Of these 261,000, 114,000 were victims of sexual assault, 55,000 were victims of attempted rape, and 92,000
were victims of completed rape. (1)
• Approximately 62% of female rape victims knew their assailant. (1)
• Approximately 43% of victims are raped by a friend or acquaintance; 34% by a stranger; 17% by an intimate; and
2% by another relative. (1)
• 61% of rape victims were sexually assaulted before the age of 18. (3)
• 21.6% of women who reported being raped during their lifetime were under age 12 at the time of their first rape.
32.4% of these women were 12-17 years of age. Therefore, over half of all female rape victim/survivors surveyed
in this study were under the age of 18 at the time of their first rape. (4)
• Age 12-34 are the highest risk years. Risk peaks in the late teens: girls 16 to 19 are four times more likely than
the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault (1).
• Among people 12 and older, about 83.5% of the US population is white, and 82.5% of rape victims are white;
13.3% of victims are black, compared to 12.3% of the population; and 4.2% of both victims and the population are
of other races. (1)
• Blacks are about 10% more likely to be attacked than whites. In 2000, there were 1.1 victimizations per 1,000
white people, and 1.2 victimizations per 1,000 black people. (1)

http://www.sccadvasa.org/articles/63.pdf

The effort to call Jews to arms in self defense could have significant, and troubling, effects on our society. Arming ourselves to the teeth in a quest to protect our community would be questionably effective in accomplishing its goals, but it would undoubtedly lead to a greater balkanization within the United States. We would alienate ourselves from the larger society, and we would be seen (correctly in this case) as arming ourselves in direct opposition to those with whom we share this country. Just as most of us would be dismayed to see the African-American community or the gay and lesbian community self-segregate and stockpile weapons, so would the rest of America view Jews who did the same with suspicion and fear. The inadvertent but inescapable effect would be heightened incidents of prejudice, vandalism, and hate-fueled violence.

Our tradition calls for each of us to participate in tikkun olam, repair of the world. For us to insist that America's culture of gun violence — and the epidemic of killing that it has wrought — is important to us only as it effects our fellow Jews is to turn our backs on the rest of America. Admittedly, addressing society's problems is an overwhelming and perhaps unattainable goal, but our tradition demands no less. It is not up to us to complete the task, but neither are we free to desist from it.

We face a critical time: a period of unprecedented technology, of wondrous prosperity, and yet of great fear. We can choose to turn inward as a community, to protect only ourselves and our narrow interests, or we can look beyond our community, into our nation and our world, seeking common solutions, and working for the general welfare. The latter is the much harder path, but I believe that it is the one that will provide our children a better world, the one to which we as Jews are committed, and the one to which we should all rededicate ourselves. Let that commitment be our resolution for the new year.

Note: This op-ed ran in Jewish newspapers nationwide.

http://rac.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=935

a. Part-time reservist (volunteer) for 3 years- may own 1 handgun
b. Such a reservist (volunteer) is a member of a gun club- may own 1rifle
c. Professional, licensed public transportation driver, transporting a minimum of 5 passengers- may own 1 handgun
d. Licensed animal control officer- may own 2 hunting rifles, *not*full automatic weapons, or semi-automatic weapons with a limited capacity magazine.
e. Full-time dealer of jewelry or large sums of cash or valuables-may own 1 handgun
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/israel-firearms.htm

Here in Israel, where weapons permits are issued to those that need them, and are limited to a single weapon per person, there is no such thing as concealed carry.

Or open carry.

Weapons permits for private citizens are granted as Carry Permits.

So you can chose based on fashion, comfort, tactics, or personal preference how you want to carry your weapon. As long as you have your valid Carry Permit and ID on your person, you can legally carry just about anywhere in the country.

I've carried my pistol openly in government offices, military installations, malls, supermarkets, sports arenas, and synagogues. I've even been to political functions and open carried with our current Prime Minister in the room.


At the cell phone counter
How's that for a patriotic custom pistol on the salesman?
http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/08/open-carry-israel.html

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership or JPFO is a 4,000 member<1> group dedicated to the preservation of gun rights in the United States and "to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone". The group was founded by former firearms dealer Aaron Zelman in 1986. The JPFO interprets the Second Amendment as recognizing a pre-existing natural right of individuals to keep and bear arms. They point out the link between gun control and government sponsored genocide. Members do not have to be Jewish. The only membership requirement is support of the United States Constitution and United States Bill of Rights, with a specific focus upon the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

JPFO publishes the "Gran'pa Jack Freedom Booklets" and offers videos, documentaries

, T-shirts and other items. Their lapel pin is a star of David with the JPFO symbols in gold-tone. JPFO is noted for producing materials (bumper stickers, posters, billboards, etc.) with messages that equate gun control with totalitarianism. The most famous of these are the "All in favor of Gun Control raise your right hand" materials, which features a drawing of Hitler giving a Nazi salute.<2>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_the_Preservation_of_Firearms_Ownership

January 1943 rebellion

On January 18, 1943, the Germans began their second deportation of the Jews, which led to the first instance of armed insurgency within the ghetto. While Jewish families hid in their "bunkers", Jewish Military League (Żydowski Związek Wojskowy, ŻZW), joined by elements of the Jewish Combat Organization (Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa, ŻOB) fighters engaged the Germans in two direct clashes.<13> Even though the ŻZW and ŻOB suffered heavy losses (including some of the leaders of both organizations, among them Yitzhak Gitterman), the deportation was halted within a few days; only 5,000 Jews were removed instead of the 8,000 as planned by Globocnik. There were hundreds of people in the Warsaw ghetto ready to fight, adults and even children, scarcely armed with handguns, gasoline bottles and a few other weapons that had been smuggled into the ghetto by the resistance fighters.<3>

Two resistance organizations, the Jewish Military Union (Żydowski Związek Wojskowy, ŻZW) and the ŻOB took control of the Ghetto. They built dozens of fighting posts and executed individuals who collaborated with the Germans, including Jewish Police officers, members of German-sponsored and controlled Żagiew organization as well as the Gestapo agents (like Judenrat member Dr Alfred Nossig on 22 February 1943).<14> The ŻOB established a prison to hold and execute traitors and collaborators.<15> Józef Szeryński, the former head of the Jewish Police, committed suicide in hiding.<16>

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The Ghetto fighters (numbering some 400 to 1,000 by April 19) were armed, if at all, mostly only with pistols and revolvers, which were of limited value in combat and were practically useless at larger distances; just a few rifles and automatic firearms smuggled into the Ghetto were available. The insurgents had little ammunition, and relied heavily on improvised explosive devices and incendiary bottles; more weapons were supplied throughout the uprising or captured from the Germans. Some weapons were hand-made by resistance: sometimes such weapons worked, other times they jammed repeatedly.

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Ultimately, the efforts of the Jewish resistance fighters proved insufficient against the German forces. The Germans eventually committed an average daily force of 2,090 well-armed troops, including 821 Waffen-SS Panzergrenadier troops (consisting of five SS reserve and training battalions and one SS cavalry reserve and training battalion), as well as 363 Polish Blue Policemen, who were ordered by the Germans to cordon the walls of the Ghetto.<22>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_ghetto_uprising

Deacons for Defense: true story of armed resistance

The Scene. It is the mid-1960s in Bogalusa, Louisiana, 60 miles northeast of New Orleans, and the Ku Klux Klan is up in arms. Literally.

After years of struggle undeterred by billy clubs, fists, guns and white-supremacist mobs, the civil rights movement had finally wrung the 1964 federal Civil Rights Act out of Congress. But there is no evidence of this victory in Bogalusa. And city politicians, businessmen and their gun-toting KKK cronies mean to keep it that way.

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Marcus and his coworkers hold a meeting. (In life, this meeting occurred not in a church, as the movie places it, but at the Black labor hall.) It does not take long for these disciplined union men and war veterans to form an organization of self-defense that is willing and able to meet force with force — the Deacons for Defense and Justice.
Ossie Davis, playing a well-meaning liberal minister to the hilt, urges the men to disavow any kind of violence. He offers to meet with the mayor and get that worthy to "guarantee the safety of the Negro people," in return for which he will see to it that no more rallies take place in front of City Hall.

No way, the Deacons say. They elect officers and begin buying citizen band radios for their roving car patrols. With the help of longshoremen in New Orleans, they also lay in guns and ammunition.

Pacifism vs. self-defense. A common KKK terror tactic was to send carloads of men speeding through the Black community and firing guns into homes. After one of these nightriding attacks, the Deacons return fire. The Klan speeds away, and that is the end of nightriding in Bogalusa. Says the minister to Marcus later, "Fear of the Klan made me less than a man. You freed me, son."
http://www.socialism.com/fsarticles/vol24no1/review.html

Just as most of us would be dismayed to see the African-American community or the gay and lesbian community self-segregate and stockpile weapons, so would the rest of America view Jews who did the same with suspicion and fear.

We would alienate ourselves from the larger society, and we would be seen (correctly in this case) as arming ourselves in direct opposition to those with whom we share this country.