FBI report dispels "gun show loophole" myth

What we've known all a long there is NO 'Gunshow loophole'
http://www.alphecca.com/?p=1728

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The offenders were of a different mind-set than the officers they confronted, and researchers got to see just how cold-blooded the younger generation of offenders is. Where 50 officers in the study had experienced situations where they had the legal authority to use deadly force, but chose not to shoot, the offenders studied had been exposed to killing after killing and fully expected to get killed and don’t hesitate to shoot anybody, and were not the least concerned about innocent bystanders. They typically displayed no moral or ethical restraints in using firearms. In fact, the street combat veterans survived by developing a shoot-first mentality.

The study concluded that police officers can never be assured that a criminal is unarmed until they have thoroughly searched the person and his/her surroundings themselves. Nor, in the interest of personal safety, can officers let their guards down in any type of law enforcement situation.

In conclusion, none of the criminals studied was hindered by any law, federal, state or local, established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws. Police officers faced with an armed criminal who hesitates while he/she decides to shoot or don’t shoot will likely find himself/herself a potentially deadly split second or more behind the criminal who has no hesitation whatsoever about pulling the trigger.

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This and others clearly debunk that, thought the anti gun bigots will never acknowledge it

the myth of the gun show loophole. It sure proves that homicidal assholes have easy access to guns, some of which are probably bought at gun shows. But that doesn't bother you a bit, does it?

Exactly what the "gun show loophole " is ? Do you even understand what is being discussed?

From the article:

What researchers found was that handguns were used in the assaults on officers and all but one were obtained illegally. None of the firearms in the study was obtained from gun shows. None of the offenders pick a particular type of gun to use because he/she felt it would do the most damage.

crack seems to be available. If you want to impact crime supply side is not your path. If you want to look busy passing worthless laws are the way to go.

but you don't know how to word the point you wish to make.

Kind of reminds me of a Pomeranian.

You should try some facts, they're good for you.

I'm not sure what the exact number is but several states (Colorado included) do not regulate the private sale of fire arms.

IOW I can put an add in the local paper (there's actually only one in today's paper) and sell my gun to who ever shows up as long as I have no reason to believe he/she is a prohibited person. Closing the "gun loophole" would prohibit such sales at gun shows but would do nothing to regulate private sales out side of a gun show. So the guy who wants to sell (or buy) his gun W/out paper work will just continue to to do so in the paper or at the flea market or at a garage sale.

Criminals (who can't own firearms and don't have a history of buying them at gun shows anyway) will continue to buy them from the crack head who stole it from you.

Long story short nothing will change and in 5 years the grabbers will try to outlaw all private sales.

When they do criminals (who can't own firearms and don't have a history of buying them in private sales anyway) will continue to buy them from the crack head who stole it from you.

Now you understand "the gun show loophole"

As a private seller, there are only two things you should ask a potential buyer- their age (in some states, private sales of long guns to those under 18 and handguns to those under 21 is illegal) and whether the person is a resident in the same state you are (selling to an out of state buyer usually requires the services of an FFL- unless one or both of you are holders of C&R licenses.)

In Colorado I can sell you a weapon as long as I do not reasonably believe that you are a prohibited person I am not required to ascertain your state of residency nor am I required to to ascertain your age and that's what I stated.

Now I respect your right to ask such questions prior to disposing of your firearms but it isn't the law here

In some states it's a crime to 'knowingly' provide a long gun to those under 18, handgun to those under 21, in other states, there's no 'knowingly', your ignorance isn't relevant.

See CO law-

"(1) (a) Any person who intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly provides a handgun with or without remuneration to any person under the age of eighteen years in violation of section 18-12-108.5 or any person who knows of such juvenile's conduct which violates section 18-12-108.5 and fails to make reasonable efforts to prevent such violation commits the crime of unlawfully providing a handgun to a juvenile or permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun."

http://cbi.state.co.us/ic/statutes/18-12-108.7.htm

Feel free to read all 170+ pages:


http://www.forcescience.org/fsinews/2006/12/new-findings-from-fbi-about-cop-attackers-their-weapons/

Violent encounters : a study of felonious assaults on our nation’s law enforcement officers / Anthony J. Pinizzotto, Edward F. Davis, Charles E. Miller III. Dept. of Justice, National Institute of Justice : Federal Bureau of Investigation, Criminal Justice Information Services Division : Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Assistance, 2006.


http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEWS/Ch1-3FBIReport.PDF
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEWS/Chapter_Four_of%20_Violent_Encounters_%20FBI_Report.PDF
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEWS/Ch5-6FBIReport.PDF
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEWS/Ch7FBIReport.PDF
http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/CGL%20NEWS/Ch8-9FBIReport.PDF

I thought the findings sounded familiar, because I'd read references to a study that sounded eerily similar, but I could never find the actual report.