Katana control needed?

Student Kills Intruder With Samurai Sword

A habitual criminal was confronted by a student who had armed himself with a sword when going to investigate a noise in the garage. The criminal, reportedly, suffered two major wounds: one blow that severed a hand and an fatal slash to the upper torso.

The police released the student after holding him for a short time, but prosecutors have not yet decided if they will file charges.

Is investigating a noise in the dark around your home looking for trouble? Should a person be content with cowering in the dark and hoping it's nothing or helps arrives?

Of course, there was no need to use either. Someone in your garage is not justification for use of deadly force.

attacked it is.

Dude was just robbed on Monday. My guess is he was looking for some payback.

in the middle of the night, I'm not taking any chances.

I'm trying hard to imagine how someone sets up to deliver a fatal, limb-severing slash in response to a surprise "lunge". More likely the attacker would end up stabbed.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you're trying to pass various assumptions on your part off as fact; very much a technique of the College of It Stands To Reason (see my sig line).

Except it doesn't stand to reason. The katana is a slashing, not a stabbing weapon, and it strikes me as quite plausible that, under stress, a practiced user would let training take over and use the weapon as intended, i.e. to slash. And swords make big, nasty wounds; that's what they're made to do, because the most reliable way to incapacitate an enemy using a sword is by inflicting massive exsanguination, i.e. causing him to bleed out. The other mechanisms of death from sword wounds, FYI, are air embolisms (air bubbles in the bloodstream), pneumothorax and traumatic asphyxia; in the past, infection formed the primary indirect cause of death.

The long and short of it is that if you inflict enough damage using a sword to incapacitate a person, the sheer amount of trauma you have to cause makes it more likely to be fatal (and more difficult for the medicos to patch up) than the amount of force you have to inflict using bullets.

to do you harm.

Guglielmi said the suspect had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, and had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center

On Dec. 14, 2007, police on patrol in the 400 block of E. 27th St. saw Rice, who the officers wrote looked suspicious and was fumbling with something in his jacket pocket, court records show. When an officer approached, Rice pulled a loaded Rohm .22-caliber handgun, which the officer was able to grab.

Rice was charged with several weapons charges, but prosecutors dropped the case in Circuit Court in July 2008 after one of the officers -- who was deployed overseas with the military -- could not attend a court hearing

Last I checked, burglary did not merit the death penalty.

Unfortunately, we will never know exactly what happened. I would have much rather have him hold him until the police came, but who knows what really went down. Either way, I don't think the guy with the sword should be prosecuted.

against the law. You can act with lethal force or do nothing. Educate yourself.

Detaining an intruder is asking for trouble

as i said, thankfully no one was injured. He threatened the guy and got fucked up. The sword makes it humorous, the kid should have bought an 870 pump gun.

Dont go fucking around someone's house stealing shit , threatening people, and then you will not die. Pretty simple logic.

Seriously, there's not even a gun involved in his death, and you're still trying to defend the career criminal who got killed attacking somebody? I suggest you get a little perspective.

If I am attacked, I have no idea how much harm the attacker intends to inflict upon me. If the attack is an unprovoked one, and buy a stranger, who has already illegally entered my home by force, then I have even less reason to believe that the attack will stop with just a few bruises to myself. The attack may kill me, so I will do everything in my power to stop the attacker. If the BG dies as a result of my defense, that is his tough luck. He wasn't given the DP. His death was a by-product of his own attack upon me.

The only sword in my home is a ceremonial one that looks good but doesn't have a cutting edge. So I will have to use a gun.

It might be instructive to have a peek at this video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAdoqK5yWTE
It's from Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe (BBC 4); starting 3:17, he looks at a BBC morning show called Beat The Burglar. As you'll note from this clip, burglars are not neat and gentle. They don't have the time to leisurely look for your valuables without making too much of a mess; rather, they trash your home to turn up your goodies in as little time as possible.

This article http://psychology.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_to_handle_emotional_trauma_from_a_burglary contains a rather illustrative passage:

A "cold" burglary (one in which the occupants aren't home) may not be a violent crime in a physical sense, but it most certainly is in an emotional sense.

You have shown up Johnny-on-the spot to bemoan the loss of every scumbag who encountered a victim who didn't just accept their fate.

29 convictions in 49 years. A pass on gun charges in 2007. The dearly departed was hardly the kind of upstanding fellow you'd want to marry your brother.

Are you saying he had no right to investigate the noise? No right to arm himself? No right to defend himself? Or are you saying that since the victim had already been burglarized on Monday, a second burglary the very next day prompted him whittle Baltimore's crime problem down a little?

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And I have no desire to repeat the experience.

ETA
Chances are the student had no idea what he would find in the garage so he armed himself to be prepared. I doubt very seriously he was “looking to kill somebody”. That said he was in his home he had (as I have) the right to be safe in that home and the right to defend himself. It’s not the student’s fault that this career criminal made a choice that ended up in his death. If you choose not to take responsibility for your own safety that’s your choice and I respect it but please do not try to take that choice away from me

On both counts.

However, they may not dig the clear evidence he didn't research the dead burglar's background.

Or they might...they never were big on factual accuracy from their grantees.

That's a keeper...

+1

We get the "who me?" defense when everyone on this board knows your post was about guns. Not everyone is as dumb as your average NRA member.

On the other hand, if your post wasn't about guns, please man up and admit it so we can have the mods move the thread to a more appropriate forum.

or is busy murdering or raping you. Then maybe you can do something. 0020 am in you house = dead man.

Isn't that how that works? When you can't get laws you want passed, sue them out of business?

An arthritic senior citizen or a 4foot 90# grad student or a pregnant woman, not so much

when a person feels their life, or someone else's life is in danger or, if they feel that they, or someone else, is in danger of great bodily harm. Yeah, I agree that the law seems to be loaded with subjective interpretation, not the least of which includes "feeling" threatened. Personally, I would rather have deadly force available and not need it than not have it available and need it. Hope you never have to experience the opposite.

I require them to fill out an extensive questionnaire as to their intentions.

I keep them on the nightstand with some freshly sharpened #2 pencils just in case they forgot to bring their own.

9 times out of 10, they just wanted to say hi to me, late at night, uninvited, in the dark.

You could easily be tits up before they even get off their ass.

At the same time, if you take action to defend yourself and someone is injured or killed as a result at the very least you can expect to have to answer a lot of questions, and ultimately, others will be the judges of whether or not your actions were excessive. Who's on the defensive? That'd be you.

Kind of unfair ain't it? They can't help you but they can sure tell you if you fuck up. Even though they weren't there.

Life's a bitch.

and a fatal blow to the torso. Sounds like he knew how to use it.

have been lethal unless the torso cuts pierced the thoracic cavity.

I don't remember the medical term but if you suffer a traumatic amputation of an extremity one of the first physiological responses is vasal constriction. I t takes a while for the shock to where off then you REALLY start bleeding. You can occlude the radial artery W/ a finger

did the katana in question have a high capacity magazine? Folding stock? Flash suppressor? Bayonet lug?(just in case)

But I think it was bought because of the Katana show loophole

I heard that the Katana had an ergonomic black handle and a "shoulder thing that goes up" - oh the horrors!!1!1!

There is clearly no 'need' for such assault katanas. Can't the citizens do all that is necessary with toothpicks at home, and folding Victorinox's stored under lock and key at community-armories?

;)

-app

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x254279

Mind you, the title was less than obvious. And this thread's a bit busier already.

I say it seems like he KNOWS how to use it. The guy did bleed out. I've heard its difficult to get a handgun in MD, plus you don't have to "reload" a sword :D .




THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!

So Highlander references aren't entirely appropriate.

Though somebody needs to explain to the guy about the advances in laproscopic surgery these days; you don't have to open the whole chest cavity any more.

Of course you have to have the training to use it.

As part of the samurai sword making process a sword tester took the new blade and cut through the bodies of corpses or condemned criminals. They started by cutting through the small bones of the body and moved up to the large bones. Test results were often recorded on the nakago (the metal piece attaching the sword blade to the handle).
http://whatisit.org/?p=4401

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sHTJAKN-5k&feature=related

The sword actually manages to cut the first several bullets that are fired at it.

When they are examing the shattered sword at the end of the video you can see the different layers of hand laminated steel and the core of the blade. The core is made of a different hardness of steel.

there were other good videos on that link.