A 13 year old is tragicly shot, causes cries for more gun control

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/10/06/2009-10-06_get_the_guns_wanton_slaying_of_13yearold_cries_out_for_crackdown_on_firearms.html

Let me get this straight... So someone too young to lawfully have a gun, was carrying an unregistered gun, without the required 'permit to carry', within 1000 yards of a school, committing assault with a deadly weapon, murder, and the answer is more laws ?!? Hell, he most likely broke a dozen or more laws, ONE MORE would stop it??

What will make these NEW LAWS more effective then the ones they already have that have been a total failure?

Would he have followed ONE MORE LAW??

and responsible parenting. I'd rather parents parent than the government parent.

...and his family, and instead it's all about saving our goddamn guns!

I'll save my own, thankyouverymuch

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Present !

Though it might be interesting to wonder who, exactly, you propose hanging on a gibbet...

Then they added treason and sheep theft .

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Just take wild guess .

That's one way to handle the gungeon, I suppose...!

Sandy loam and topsoil !!

And I seem to have left out a syllable from "deconstructionist!"

They used to gibbet people for that .

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I don't think anyone on this page doesn't have empathy; I think we all give a damn, or we wouldn't be here.

It's about finding a solution that actually works. We've been b**ching about "gun-control" for decades, and all it's done is hurt Democrats politically because we don't seem to be able to realized "it ain't the guns" that are the problem. I feel awful about the dead child, I have a nephew that age. But I feel even worse knowing that all this talk isn't going to do one thing to start creating a sense of decency in some of the people who are causing the problem.

When I grew up, (1970s), kids brought guns to school too - hunting rifles. They checked them in with the principal, then went hunting after school. The didn't just shoot an animal, they were being taught to use the meat too. Shooting up the school because you were pissed was not only unheard of, it was un-thinkable. Even the nasty ones were taught that there were lines you didn't cross, things you didnt' do. I think that's probably what's causing the coarseness and mindless brutality we're seeing now.

Bodies of children in the street? Not so much.

for example, stories of kids drowning . FAR more kids drown than die in accidental (unintentional) shootings like this.

why?

well, because gunz are controversial. bathtubs and swimming pools aren't.

The fact that they claim more children than guns doesn't mean anything, the intentions are all that matter, not the lives lost.

Just like no one seems to mind the fact that cars, cigarettes, alcohol, lack of exercise, fast food, etc kill far more people than guns.

But his death isn't prove of anything beyond the fact that some kids do stupid, violent things.

That other boy is to blame for his death. But the death will be used by gun-grabbers to punish legal gun-owners.

Are dead children just a chance for you to get on the soap box?

Oh wait, that's right: you didn't.

Spare me the self-righteousness. You don't give a crap about the dead kid; to you, he's just a stick to beat the pro-RKBA posters with. Next time, wait until rigor mortis sets in first.

It's a pleasant surprise.

Where did the kid get the gun? (probably the same place they score whatever recreational pharma they may choose to use)

If they're bringing in guns, they're probably bringing in other contraband as well...was this kid's mind bent by chemical abuse?

Did the shooter have any kind of family to guide him in developing some kind of decent moral character?

Banning "stuff" doesn't work if people are determined to have it - seen it with Prohibition, seen it with the War-on-Drugs, and it continues with guns. What prevents this sort of tradgedy is what's _inside_ the person, not what's in their pocket or hand.

Sounds like your solution is to make sure all kids have two responsible parents. :crazy:

Problem is we don't live in utopia.

Criminals always find a way to get the things they want. Outlawing lawful ownership of arms isn't going to create any kind of utopia.

There were lots of single-parent families when I was growing up, there were also a few when my parents grew-up (my Mom was in one of them). No fancy "after-school programs", no free school lunches, people went hungry on-occasion. No EBT cards (welfare benefit" cards - so people didn't have to be seen with food stamps or welfare vouchers). Most charity was through private organizations or churches. People sucked it up and coped.

And guns were not only more available then, we didn't have all these useless laws that stop legal gun usage and do nothing to stop criminals (if anything it encourages them - nobody is liable to shoot back in defense).

Yet despite all this greater lack of "Utopian" social supports back in-the-day, such aberrant behavior was nearly unheard of.

So, I feel we're not asking ourselves the right questions. What has changed since then, and have all the good intentions we've had done what we intended? Or have we just been paving the road to Hell with them?

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what parts of that post were 'conservative assholeness'?

'Cause I guess I missed it....

:hi:

What are you talking about?

Please.
:D

I'm not a lawmaker.

But I know for certain, assigning kids two responsible parents is never going to happen.

That's one of the hardest places in the USA to get one legally.

I have an uncle who lives on 3rd St., Manhatten. I could walk a block away, buck naked, and come back in an hour wearing an Armani suit, Rolex watch, a hookers' lipstick, and a police issue Glock (or whatever the NYPD uses these days).

Oh, wait, you said 'legally'. Oops. Stupid rectal-chapeau Bloomberg, and the Sullivan he rode in on....

Nothing but make things more difficult for those that do obey the law.

Let's put up a sign saying this is a "no gun zone" Yeah that will really work.

I can't believe these idiots that run around declaring no gun zones. Same people that think elephants really can fly using their ears...just like Dumbo.

:toast:

"criminal activity prohibited"

i LOVE that. these people have no sense of irony

that replaced a former 35 mph zone after a drunken maniac came careening through the town, driving about 70 mph, and ran down a little boy. The kid wasn't killed because the driver who hit him was driving 35 mph.

It's tragic when an innocent life is lost through the actions of the occasional crazy, but replacing adequate laws with more laws won't bring back the dead or prevent others from dying.

MSDs kill people.

Not all MSDs are bad:






:evilgrin:

People can't stand to blame themselves, the kids, the parents, the culture so they'll blame guns and avoid the responsibility.

Never mind that millions of kids grow up around guns with no incidents.

prevent tragic losses of life. RIP Kevin Miller.

Nice to know the members of the editorial board of the NY Daily News don't give a crap about the Fourth Amendment any more than they do about the Second. Good to remind them of whenever they start complaining about restrictions on freedom of the press.

in the skull of every child born in this country could be used to track the whereabouts of every citizen and greatly increase the effectiveness of law enforcement officials. Possibly with a remote activated electrical discharge to immobilize those running from the police.

But so called "civil libertarians" have a problem with this.

When people are grieving, I really don't think analysis of good laws and bad laws are on their mind.