Chicago plan to curb student shootings

CPS wants to slash gun violence

The Chicago Public Schools are launching a major new effort to cut down on student shootings, going so far as to identify the 1,200 students most at risk of being shot and pairing them up with mentors, schools chief Ron Huberman said yesterday.

Huberman noted that not a single shooting incident in the last year happened on school grounds but called the number of students shot, more than 500 last year and three dozen killed, “unacceptable.”

“I have not gone more than three days without having to talk to a parent who has lost a kid,” Huberman said.


http://www.chitowndailynews.org/blogs/The_City_Desk/CPS_wants_to_slash_gun_violence,32091#

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They will supply the ganger's 2 for 1 targets.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

of the effectiveness of gun bans.

of the effectiveness of the gun lobby in subverting state & federal laws, underscores the reason federal legislation & enforcement is needed.

That mean gun lobby sold all those handguns to criminals, right?

i mean no one breaks a federal law...hmm.

Of course not, this is a positive, and probably the best step to help these kids, not just to keep them from getting shot, but to help them make something of their lives. There's nothing wrong with any of it. Finally a step in the right direction.

What is wrong with you, that you would think people who advocate for the 2nd Amendment would oppose this?

Gun worshipers & other wingnuts are under the impression that the problem isn't the people who introduce illegal guns into Chicago & other places that require a little responsibility from their resident gun owners - the criminals, the corporations which support them & others who have no respect for the law and cheer when it's subverted. Gun worshipers believe the problem is gun control itself. In their mind, the citizens of Chicago shouldn't be allowed to take steps to protect themselves, their children & their city.

I have a problem with that.

But only one of the problems. This plan by CPS addresses a far larger cause. But Post #3 is not critical of the plan by CPS in Chicago in the OP. It's critical of the bans, which only serve to disarm law abiding citizens.

Chicago doesn't require responsibility from its residents; it refuses to entrust them with any. And gun control in effect prevents citizens from protecting themselves and their children, while failing to stop those who intend to misuse firearms for criminal purposes from acquiring them.

Nobody on this board contends that there isn't a problem with certain people bringing illegal guns into Chicago. Our point is that in effect criminalizing the possession of handguns is not preventing this from happening. It's a safe bet that very few, if any, of the recipients of these illegal firearms would be legally eligible to possess them even absent Chicago's handgun ban, so more robust enforcement of those laws would do more good than making it impossible to legally possess a handgun for people who would not be prohibited from doing so under federal law (not to mention Illinois state law, which is already comparatively restrictive).

You don't think the people of Chicago know of & OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVE OF those restrictions?

The real problem is that weapons manufacturers & their dealers (licensed & unlicensed alike) have no respect for the law & the RW spends millions for propaganda to instill that disrespect in otherwise law-abiding citizens & "campaign contributions" to ensure the relevant authorities are inadequately funded. All of which goes to support criminals who use illegal guns to murder innocent people.

All 'democratically' voted in by the populace and elected officials of wonderful places.
Guess you're down with that sort of democracy, too...




Yes, we hear almost daily of raids on clandestine arms factories and the bigwigs of the Springfield gun cartels being pursued actively- NOT

Or those gun shows where crack private eyes can't seem to come up with actual, like, illegal gun sales:




Or maybe people figured out the "war on private gun ownership" is as much bullshit as the "war on drugs"




Because people can't possibly have decided on their own that they don't care your position?

Seems Congress democratically declined to renew the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, and you didn't like that.




And here I was thinking it was the illegal drug trade (mostly) that was fueling it. Silly me.

Interesting worldview, indeed.

They probably do. But, that's the beauty of living in a constitutional republic... IT DOESN'T MATTER. 51% of the population can't take away the protected rights of the other 49%. No tyranny by majority.

Wait until June of next year, the Supreme Court will rule in this case just as it did in the D.C. case. Bans are unconstitutional.

the beauty of living in a constitutional republic... IT DOESN'T MATTER. 51% of the population can't take away the protected rights of the other 49%. No tyranny by majority.

:toast:

ESPECIALLY those protected by the constitution.

the BOR protects even the rights of a minority. even those dastardly pro-RKBA people.

And that's just for starters.

This is not a funding of authorities issue. By all means, show a funding disparity between the police departments of Chicago, and any other similarly sized metropolis. Hahaha I know you won't so I'll do it for you. Houston, population 2.3 million. Chicago, population 2.8 million. Houston spent 665 million on it's police force for FY09. Chicago spent 1.26 BILLION. OH BOY the RW sure undercut the Chicago police department funding levels, didn't they.

Firearm homicde rate in Houston? 18 Chicago? 22.3


By all means, try again. Did you really think no one would fact check your random assertions?

Houston city budget:
http://www.houstontx.gov/budget/09budadopt/III_POL.pdf
Chicago:
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/2009_Budget_Overview_and_Revenue_Estimates_1.pdf

Until then, you fail.

Chicago is attempting to do that which they are forbidden from doing. Whether the people of chicago support them or not has no relevance what so ever. None. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nadda. Nix.


"The real problem is that weapons manufacturers & their dealers (licensed & unlicensed alike) have no respect for the law & the RW spends millions for propaganda to instill that disrespect in otherwise law-abiding citizens & "campaign contributions" to ensure the relevant authorities are inadequately funded."

Uh...yeah lol. Kind of hard to have any respect for a city and its laws, that both disregard completely the supreme law of the land.

Shouldn't government be setting the example here and following the supreme law itself, baldguy?

"All of which goes to support criminals who use illegal guns to murder innocent people."

Easy to hide behind the "illegal guns" rhetoric, when in chicago, for all intents and purposes* ALL handguns not belonging to law enforcement are illegal.


Mcdonald is just over the horizon, baldguy.

It wont be long.



(* yes I am aware that certain people, such as aldermen, and um...the "chosen" high muckety mucks and a very few regular joes have handguns, and I'm also aware that they'd be the exception to the rule)

If you mean the Platonic sense of "majority rule" of the kind that passed Prop 8 in California, then no, I don't. If you mean the more modern definition of "the will of the majority, restricted by respect for the rights of the minority" then yes, that I do believe in.

As for the rest of your post, wow, that's quite a conspiracy theory you've got going there. Yeah, the political right wing in this country wants more crime. And Big Pharma--aided and abetted by the medical establishment--is just sitting on that cure for cancer so that they can make more money off chemotherapy drugs, right? Just like the oil companies have been suppressing that car engine that runs on water all these decades.

Sheesh.

:nuke:

I'm with AtheistCrusader on this. In fact, I would add:

It's a shame that it isn't going to cover 10X as many students. Poor public school students need positive role models.

And to paraphrase Sissy Spacek in Coal Miner's Daughter:

"Ah swear yore missin' a washer in yore brain"

perhaps you should wait until someone does before unleashing your righteous outrage!(tm).

Xpost: Army considers middle-school JROTC program

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4100366

WICHITA, Kan. — The U.S. Army wants middle school students.

These two threads should provide endless debate.

And to quickly answer the first knee jerk reply No it is not apples and oranges it is how we treat our most precious resource.