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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 04:54 PM
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17 Students File Suit Over School Drug Raid
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1878/a06.html?1042

Seventeen Stratford High School students are suing the city of Goose Creek and the Berkeley County school district in federal court, alleging police and school officials terrorized them in a drug raid last month.
The Nov. 5 raid by police and school officials has created a national firestorm, in part because it was caught on videotape by the school and made available to a local television reporter.

The suit charges the students' Fourth and 14th Amendment rights were violated. The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure; the 14th forbids states from depriving "any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."
In the suit, the students provide details of what happened to them on Nov. 5 when police burst into the school to conduct the raid. Maurice Harris, a 14-year-old freshman, said one officer pointed a gun at his face. "Maurice can still see the end of the barrel looking him in his face," the suit said.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, a South Carolina native, traveled to the Lowcountry this week and announced plans for a Dec. 16 rally to protest the drug raid.

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gonefishing Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:30 PM
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1. I Hope They Win Millions!
I hope they all loose thier jobs!
I wish that they could sue the officers directly!
What idiot in his/her right mind would point a gun at a 14 year old child. When I was 14 years old every little thing scared the hell out of me. I can't imagine how those kids felt.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:42 PM
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2. Funny...
South Carolina, as you've shown, is lousy with right wing gun loving screwlooses always bellowing about how much they supposedly love freedom, but yet they ain't made even a faint peep about this raid that anyone's heard....

Who IS supporting this lawsuit? Why, anti-gun Jesse Jackson. Go figure.

Should I bring up "gun rights" and race again? Naw, I think everybody can see it for themselves...
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 05:52 PM
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3. Who said just because you are pro gun that you are freedom loving?
* wants to be the dictator....he is pro gun

Ashcroft is everything anti freedom....he is pro gun.

Jesse Jackson is everything freedom.... except he is against the second amendment.

Go figure. No one can seem to get the true meaning of the word FREEDOM right.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:09 PM
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4. Who the hell do you think you're kidding?
"Ashcroft is everything anti freedom....he is pro gun."
Yeah, no shit, sherlock. You'll notice almost all of these freedom hating racist pieces of shit are.
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kbelzner Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:18 PM
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6. who are the freedom haters?
The list of gun control advocates has included Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Idi Amin, and Charles Krauthammer.

And Mr. Benchley.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:29 PM
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8. Wow...
"Idi Amin, and Charles Krauthammer."
Like I said...the RKBA crowd will say anything, no matter how desperate or silly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:32 PM
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 08:32 AM
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12. No argument too absurd
or dishonest for the RKBA crowd...

"kbelzner (28 posts)
4. Comparison of US and Canadian crime rates
The states of the American midwest exhibit homicide rates substantially lower than the adjoining Canadian prairie provinces despite easier legal access to firearms and less restrictive handgun laws."

"kbelzner (28 posts)
6. Comparing Canada and the US
The US has always had a higher crime rate than Canada *regardless* of the gun control laws extant. "

By the way, some other swell "facts" from vikingphoenix.com"

"The Trent Lott Affair - Senator Trent Lott is under attack by leftists and even members of his own Republican Party.
// The gullible Mississippi Senator's remarks at Senator Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday party may be either Lott's downfall as Senate Majority Leader, or an opportunity for Republicans to take advantage of the racist politics of Democrats and moderates -- or both. "

http://vikingphoenix.com/news/madminute/2002/mm2002-04.htm

The rest is just a a mishmash of far right wing horseshit...
Does the RKBA crowd EVER read anything sane people read?
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:28 PM
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7. No shit Sherlock
I never said they werent. I just wish there were more freedom loving pro-gun rights politicians. Instead we have a shitload of anti freedom politicians getting a mass number of single issue gun voters to vote them in, along with all the other christian, anti abortion, pro drug war, racist KKK members, and anti tax anti workers rights people who help in voting them in.

And the democrats are just a mirror of the republican party when it comes to freedoms. Gangsta rap is bad. Violence in movies is bad. Do these dumbshits really think thats the cause of violence? Being put in a violent situation causes violence. The drug war puts people in a violent situation. Violence towards police officers because a drug dealer doesnt want to go to jail. Violence towards a drug dealer because he is in another drug dealers truf(money) or he ripped a user off.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:33 PM
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9. More RKBA Democrat-bashing...who'd have guessed it?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 06:34 PM by MrBenchley
"And the democrats are just a mirror of the republican party when it comes to freedoms.."
Really, why ARE you here? What was the name of this site again?
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:19 PM
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13. Maybe you should read the rules
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 12:24 PM by 1a2b3c
This isnt just a site for democrats. Here MrB, let me lay it out for you. This is a message board for Democrats and other progressives. Other progressives is the term i am seeing. Maybe you dont know what progressive is so i got the term straight out of webster online. Main Entry: progressive
Function: noun
Date: 1846
1 a : one that is progressive b : one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action
2 capitalized : a member of any of various U.S. political parties: as a : a member of a predominantly agrarian minor party that around 1912 split off from the Republicans; specifically : BULL MOOSE b : a follower of Robert M. La Follette in the presidential campaign of 1924 c : a follower of Henry A. Wallace in the presidential campaign of 1948

BULL MOOSE:
Main Entry: Bull Moose
Function: noun
Etymology: bull moose, emblem of the Progressive party of 1912
Date: 1912
: a follower of Theodore Roosevelt
Wasnt he a gun owning hunter??? in the U.S. presidential campaign of 1912

And i am here to try and shed light on the subject whenever needed, and because i like it here. Are you the type on here that thinks democratic leaders and the democratic party itself is just so great that it needs to be held high up on the platter for all to see? Trust me they are about as corrupt as the republicans, they are just the lesser evil. Yeah MrB, the democratic party doesnt have the best interests of its corporate puppet masters at mind. :eyes:

Although the topic was just on my political affiliations i better add rule #2 since i think youve either not read it or just ignore it on almost every post i read of yours. Treat people with respect. Don't be rude or bigoted. Discuss the message, not the messenger.
That damn respect, its a tough one to follow. And its even harder to discuss the message and not the messenger.

Now back to my political affiliation.

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We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals.

This is a "big tent" message board. We welcome a wide range of progressive opinion. You will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

If you have been banned from Democratic Underground, you are not permitted to log on again using a different username. Previously banned members will be immediately banned, regardless of behavior.

People who repeatedly and willfully break the rules, or who generally engage in rude, antisocial behavior, will be banned. It doesn't matter if you are a progressive or a long-term member of this board.

I dont seem to fit in to the 'supportive of conservative ideals' catagory. So i guess im still good to go. If you look at the last paragraph though, the rude antisocial behavior, those people get banned. Or do they? :shrug:

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The administrators of Democratic Underground are working to provide a place where progressives can share ideas and debate in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Emphasis mine. Despite our best efforts, many of our members often stray from this ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of antisocial behavior. The fact that the rules don't forbid a certain type of post does not automatically make an uncivil post appropriate, nor does it imply that the administrators approve of disrespectful behavior. Every member of this community has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise that our members exercise a little common decency, rather than trying to parse the message board rules to figure out what type of antisocial behavior is not forbidden.

Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other members of this discussion board.
So in otherwords calling people racist for being pro RKBA may not be against the rules but its still an asshole thing to do.


If you are the type of person who just can't get along with other people, and if you seem to repeatedly cause trouble, eventually we will decide that your presence is a disruption and we will ban you. It doesn't matter if you are a progressive or a long-term member of this board.

How many posts do you think you have had deleted recently? Or even all together MrB? Better watch out with the rude behaviour. I might end up being more accepted here than you, the democrat.

Well its been fun breaking down who is accepted on DU and who isnt. More of the DU rules can be found here for future use. http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html#welcome




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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Too frigging funny...
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 12:25 PM by MrBenchley
"1 a : one that is progressive b : one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action"
Funny, I don't see anything there about pimping the objectives of right wing extremists...

"I dont seem to fit in to the 'supportive of conservative ideals' catagory."
Who are you trying to kid?

"calling people racist for being pro RKBA"
Too frigging funny....what we've got instead is the RKBA crowd desperately trying to pretend racist asswipes like Larry Pratt and Ted Nugent are not racist asswipes.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:26 PM
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15. Funny
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 12:32 PM by 1a2b3c
Neither did i. Funny, I don't see anything there about pimping the objectives of right wing extremists...


"I dont seem to fit in to the 'supportive of conservative ideals' catagory."
Who are you trying to kid?


You never let me down MrB. I knew you couldnt resist the discussing of the messenger again. :-)

An edit for your edit. Did you see a DUer here say they agree with Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent on anything other than both being pro gun? Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt, the fact that we both own guns? If you have seen a DUer post a racist thread maybe you should hit alert. And who said that they werent racist? I missed this post, can i get a link?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:42 PM
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16. Yeah, when it isn't pathetic, it's funny...
"Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt"
Gee, when you get post after post from people trying desperately to DENY that one of the most virulent racists in American public life isn't racist.....

But then, try and find us a racist anywhere in America that isn't spouting this bogus "gun rights" crap.....
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Alright youre dodging many questions that ive asked so i will ask again
The first of my dodged questions:

Are you the type on here that thinks democratic leaders and the democratic party itself is just so great that it needs to be held high up on the platter for all to see?

The second, third, fourth, and fifth of my dodged questions:

Did you see a DUer here say they agree with Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent on anything other than both being pro gun? Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt, the fact that we both own guns? If you have seen a DUer post a racist thread maybe you should hit alert. And who said that they werent racist? I missed this post, can i get a link?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:52 PM
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Snivel about Larry Pratt? And you still dodged the questions.
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 12:57 PM by 1a2b3c
Why i only see one person here snivel about Larry Pratt, and its not me. I dont give a shit about Larry Pratt or that he is pro gun, good for Larry Pratt.

You still missed a few of my questions though. Could you answer the rest of them for me? Did you see a DUer here say they agree with Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent on anything other than both being pro gun? Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt, the fact that we both own guns? If you have seen a DUer post a racist thread maybe you should hit alert. And who said that they werent racist? I missed this post, can i get a link?

I will await the next dodging reply.


And by being a proud liberal democrat, are you saying that the democrats are not influnenced by corporate money just like the republican party?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:01 PM
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20. You're the one sniveling about Larry Pratt....
and how awful it is that anybody point out what a rracist piece of shit he is....

"You still missed a few of my questions"
Next ask me whether I care what you want..

"And by being a proud liberal democrat, are you saying that the democrats are not influnenced by corporate money"
Are you saying that all corporate money is immoral?
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. I am? Can i see a link?......probably not.
I said its awful that you point out that Larry Pratt is racist? I would love...LOVE to see a link to this one. I dont care what anyone says about larry pratt. I can even find a LINK where i have said that. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=26808#26972 Post #19 I dont give a shit about Larry Pratt or that he is pro gun, good for Larry Pratt.

Again i only see one Duer mentioning, or should it be sniveling???, about Larry Pratt, and again, its not me.


Next ask me whether I care what you want..
Why? I already know the answer. You are here to discuss the messenger and not the message, same as you always have.

Are you saying that all corporate money is immoral?
When it becomes more important than the voters...yep.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Just look at this thread.....
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Yes i did look at this thread.
Can anyone else reading this thread help us out here. Mrb says im sniveling about Larry Pratt. I ask for a link but i just cant get it. He says read the thread...i do and still dont see it. Can someone cut and paste me a snip of me sniveling about larry pratt? Can someone, since MrB cant seem to, give me a link to me sniveling? No? Alright i will just go along and play with 'dodge the questions and switch the topics" with MrB i guess.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. It wasn't RKBA
proponent who brought up Pratt. It was a reply to an observation about calling others on the board racist.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. No, but it has been
the RKBA crowd sniveling about the racist piece of shit being brought up...

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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Cause it gets a bit old
Can you not come up with anything other than relating us to Larry Pratt and Ted Nugent? Is this the only weak argument you can lay claim too?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. Still fresh...
and right to the point...

Not only is the RKBA argument dishonest frrom stem to stern, but it's being supported by he scummiest public figures around....including every racist anyone can think of....

And what's funniest is that for all the RKBA crowd's screaming that there are rootin' tootin' gun totin' liberals...we yet to find even a single instance of any one saying word one about any of the racist sentiments so common on gun owners' forums. We yet to see any evidence there's even one liberal gun owner objecting in the least to having specimens like Pratt and NBugent head the gun owner groups...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:46 PM
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. Too TOO funny...
Dr. Dean's position is a helluva lot closer to mine than to the RKBA crowd...and there was a whole thread here snivelling about Kerry just the other day...

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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #36
56. I object, your dishonor
"We yet to see any evidence there's even one liberal gun owner objecting in the least to having specimens like Pratt and NBugent head the gun owner groups..."

I am liberal gun owner. I object to Pratt and Nugent. I agree with thier pro-gun views, and only thier pro-gun views, nothing else.
I don't know enough about that NBugent guy to make any judgement.:evilgrin:


Happy now?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. Now let's see you say the same thing
on some gun owners' forum...
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. The proposition that because Pratt or Nugent
have exhibited racism negates their 2nd amend positions how? Do they base their support for the RKBA on racist arguments? If not there are three issues:
(1) They are wrong for being racist, and

(2) Do their positions on the RKBA intellectually stand apart from their satus as racists.

(3)because I believe that I have a right to defend myself, which includes the right to posess the tools to do so, I must agree with every statement made by anyone who believes this?

A good example:

(1) Thomas Jefferson was wrong for owning slaves.

(2) Thomas Jefferson's argument for independence from Great Britain was intellectually valid apart from his status as a slaveowner.

(3) I agree with the Declaration of Independence, therefore I must agree with the right of the author to own slaves?????


Give me more credit.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Too too funny....
"Do their positions on the RKBA intellectually stand apart from their satus as racists."
Yeah, let's see you discuss Ted Nugent's intellectual coherence...

"because I believe that I have a right to defend myself, which includes the right to posess the tools to do so, I must agree with every statement made by anyone who believes this?"
What I SAID was that it was funny we don't see any gun owners disagreeing out in the wide world...even here, most of the bitching about Pratt and Nugent is about how unfair it is to mention that they are the management of the two largest gun owners groups (and the rest are "demands" for "proof" that these racist pieces of shit are racist pieces of shit).

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Hahahahahahahahaha....
"Did you see a DUer here say they agree with Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent on anything other than both being pro gun? Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt, the fact that we both own guns? Did you see a DUer here say they agree with Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent on anything other than both being pro gun? Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt, the fact that we both own guns? Why i only see one person here snivel about Larry Pratt, and its not me. I dont give a shit about Larry Pratt or that he is pro gun, good for Larry Pratt. Did you see a DUer here say they agree with Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent on anything other than both being pro gun? Is this the only link you have to Duers and Larry Pratt, the fact that we both own guns? I said its awful that you point out that Larry Pratt is racist? I would love...LOVE to see a link to this one. I dont care what anyone says about larry pratt. Mrb says im sniveling about Larry Pratt. I ask for a link but i just cant get it."
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. all i see here
Is that i took the bait for your trolling flames.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. Who are you kidding?
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. I guess the Libertarians
Are pretending Pratt is not a racist. The only link I found was an "allegation" of guilt by association full six years prior to the below.


Gary Johnson, Larry Pratt set to speak at Convention

http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0207/convention.html


Everyone knows how racial and tyrannical those Libertarians are.(end sarcasm)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Geeze
You won't get any argument from me that libertarians are out of touch with reality...

"Everyone knows how racial and tyrannical those Libertarians are."
Geeze, you mean you think there isn't a large streak of that running down the libertarian movement? Wake up...
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. The "purists" are out of touch
but please, if you wish me to accept the allegation af racism, cite me a source.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. What's the difference
between an ordinary right wing loony and a libertarian? The libertarian has a modem....

Here's a nice story with guns AND racist libertarians, showing what a clueless bunch of shits they are...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/57917p-54252c.html

Here they are sticking up for the poster boy for bigotry...

http://archive.lp.org/rel/20000203-Rocker.html

Here's the voice of the Libertarians, Neal Boortz, having some racist fun...

http://www.athens.net/~jdillard/Fun.htm

"Trent Lott is a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative."

http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/Trent_Lott.htm
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. If you want to see racists, you will
"Here's a nice story with guns AND racist libertarians, showing what a clueless bunch of shits they are..."

Lawless in NYC, maybe, but racist?

"Here they are sticking up for the poster boy for bigotry..."

Not defending Rocker but showing the absurd lengths of the ADA

"Here's the voice of the Libertarians, Neal Boortz, having some racist fun..."

Like Fox had fun insulting Appalachians with plenty of advertising $$. Growing up with an accent, I agree that learning to speak proper English is valuable. If it take humor to convice others, use humor.


"Trent Lott is a Libertarian-Leaning Conservative."
anti-abortion, pro death penalty, anti drugs,ro school prayer, pro war(Iraq and Kosovo), pro price supports, pro welfare.

I guess he would get the LP endorsement.


What about former KKK Senators? Are they still racist? Even if they continue to use epithets? I try to understand the context of that when I vote for him.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #53
58. Wow, more mindless Democrat bashing from the RKBA crowd....
Who is rreally surprised that the RKBA crowd is recycling old smears from Hannity and Limbaugh?
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #27
43. It's one of his tricks
The only link I found was an "allegation" of guilt by association full six years prior to the below.

Larry once attended an informational meeting about the federal government's killing of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. Among the other people who attended the meeting were leaders of racist organizations, and the meeting was organized by a racist.

In other words, Larry must be guilty by association. Even though no one denies that Pratt told the racists at the meeting that he rejected their views

At a "Preparedness Expo," Larry went to the show's promoter and successfully urged him to order several racist organizations to remove their booths from the premises.

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OpEds/Scoundrel_Time_Is_Back.htm

( wait for it... just wait he'll be here to cry about using Kopels writings )

Show us hard proof of racism not these vagaries that only appeal to the hypersensitive. The charge of racism is so over used and abused that it carries with it a high level of required proof .
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Too TOO TOO TOO funny...
1A wasn't disputing whether this racist piece of shit Pratt IS a racist piece of shit....he was claiming that nobody in the RKBA crowd ever ever tried to claim otherwise...

And here you are with your little piccolo...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Been there, done that
"I have yet to see you provide anything to back up your overused and weak-ass claim of racism."
Then listen and learn, dozer...

"Pratt stepped aside as co-chair of the Buchanan campaign following revelations that he had attended a 1992 meeting in Estes Park, Colorado which was organized and sponsored by racist Identity minister, Pete Peters. Speakers at the meeting included Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations, and long time racial activist and Klan leader, Louis Beam. The meeting was also attended by Militia of Montana leader, John Trochman, and Chriss Temple, a Montana-based correspondent for the racist Christian Identity publication, Jubilee."

http://www.mhrn.org/news/prattv6.html

"Don't miss the grandaddy of all Southern gatherings, The Sixth Annual Confederate Heritage Conference, held 23-26 May 1996 in Monroe, Louisiana. Featured speakers will be Otto Scott, editor of Otto Scott's Compass, and Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America. Cost: $40 per family and $20.00 per individual if registration is completed prior to 1 May. "

http://www.dixienet.org/spatriot/vol3no2/notes10.html

"Among those Republicans that have connections to the C of CC is Pat Buchanan, who has written for their newspaper the Citizens Informer, which boasts Buchanan friend Sam Francis as an editor. Buchanan is also a friend of Jared Taylor, who among other things pushes the notion that people of African decent is genetically inferior. In 1996, Buchanan's campaign for president hit a snag when it was revealed that his campaign manager Gun Owners of America head Larry Pratt spoke at the Aryan Nations compound at Couer d'Ilene, Idaho. He was replaced by former Liberty Lobby associate Phyllis Schlafly, who also has connections with the C of CC. "

http://onepeoplesproject.com/hannity-byrd.htm

"Nearly three years ago, as Sen. John Ashcroft was considering a run for the presidency, he composed a hand-written thank-you note to a man many politicians would run from. Neatly inscribed on Ashcroft's Senate stationery, the letter went to Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, a firearms lobbying group considered extremist even by many conservatives.
At the time Ashcroft wrote to Pratt, the Virginia-based activist was already branded as a pariah even by those considered to the right of the GOP: Two years earlier, he had been forced to step aside as co-chairman of Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign after news reports of his association with leaders of the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations and militias.
Pratt, however, is not just involved with the GOA — he is also president of another group, English First, an organization accused of immigrant-bashing that is part of the conservative coalition rallying behind Ashcroft's nomination. "

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,94912,00.html
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. hahahahahahahaha
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 04:34 PM by BullDozer
Wow he's attended meetings, had connections, and runs an "isolationist xenophobic" organization?

Aryan Nations compound at Couer d'Ilene, Idaho
And this would be the meeting where he told the racists at the meeting that he rejected their views?


You'll have to do better than that for proof if you wanted to convince those of us who still are attached to reality.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #51
60. Yeah, dozer...
He cozies up to racist pieces of shit every chance he gets and he runs a network for bigots....

But its instructive to see the RKBA crowd desperately trying to spin that away..
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. I just have given up on
this thread. I have tried to argue with facts, but after a point there is no reply or racist piece @#(*^%$&@. I even missed a deleted post directed at me on a locked thread. Civility will win more arguments, and as I have said before, racist or not, alienating the NRA, in my opinion, which no one has disputed, cost Gore 5 WV electoral votes and the election.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. Check this out MrB
It took me all of 2 seconds to find another DUer here who isnt blinded by some sort of faith to the democratic party.

Like all good politicians they fear the people's wrath. While the DLC/DNC has been playing footsie with the Dipshit-in-charge, the Democrats (that is, the Democrats who don't hold office or have a special interest in maintaining the status-quo) have been seething. They're terrified that the Democratic Party may just become the "Party of the People" that it once was.


Seems some people think Diane Fienstien and other DNC/DLC members are in-cahoots, or should i say "playing footsie" with Bush. Maybe you should tell bandera they arent welcome here because they dont tote the corporate democrat line. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=843981
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Too frigging funny....
Wonder why you're having such trouble finding members of the RKBA crowd trying to pretend Larry Pratt isn't racist....especially since there's one right on the current page...

"Seems some people think Diane Fienstien and other DNC/DLC members are in-cahoots, or should i say "playing footsie" with Bush."
Of course this is also somebody who thinks the Washington Times is a useful source for news...
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. I think he pointed out
That he was using washington times only for others to read and discuss. I didnt see anything about him saying it was usefull.

Wonder why you're having such trouble finding members of the RKBA crowd trying to pretend Larry Pratt isn't racist....especially since there's one right on the current page...


Are you having trouble following the discussion today? Im not trying to find members of the RKBA crowd pretending Larry Pratt isnt racist. You are suppose to, and never have yet. Youre the one who made such a dumbass claim. I only wanted to see you back it up. If there is one on the page please cut and paste it or give me a link to the reply cause i still cant see it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Too TOO funny...
So he was "using washington times only for others to read and discuss" because he thought it was useless?

"Are you having trouble following the discussion today? Im not trying to find members of the RKBA crowd pretending Larry Pratt isnt racist."
No, you're just claiming none are.....which is as silly as pretending that the Washington Times is worth taking seriously.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. Yes but MrDodgeEveryQuestion
The person who i cut and pasted from wasnt even the author of the thread. When you switch from the person i was talking about and change the subject to a whole different DUer, isnt that a strawman or something?

ANd i am claiming that NO DUERS are pretending Larry Pratt isnt racist.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
46. O-o-o-o-ooops!
"ANd i am claiming that NO DUERS are pretending Larry Pratt isnt racist."
Gee, what a shame...here's Dozer trying to pretend that Pratt, who's also the head of English first and worked in Pat Buchanan's campaign (until even Pratt had to flee his company) managed to hold a kaffeeklatch with the Aryan Nation by accident...

"BullDozer (679 posts) Sun Dec-07-03 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #27
43. It's one of his tricks
The only link I found was an "allegation" of guilt by association full six years prior to the below.
Larry once attended an informational meeting about the federal government's killing of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. Among the other people who attended the meeting were leaders of racist organizations, and the meeting was organized by a racist.
In other words, Larry must be guilty by association. Even though no one denies that Pratt told the racists at the meeting that he rejected their views
At a "Preparedness Expo," Larry went to the show's promoter and successfully urged him to order several racist organizations to remove their booths from the premises.
http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OpEds/Scoundrel_Time_Is_Back.htm
( wait for it... just wait he'll be here to cry about using Kopels writings )
Show us hard proof of racism not these vagaries that only appeal to the hypersensitive. The charge of racism is so over used and abused that it carries with it a high level of required proof ."


By the way, since he asked, Dae Kopel is anotehr right wing piece of shit who writes for Crazy Bill Buckley's National Review....
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Prove the racism or shut the hell up n/t.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Been there, done that...
Always instructive to see the RKBA crowd defending freepers, racists, and other scum....
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BullDozer Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Not!
Always instructive to see the RKBA crowd defending the desire to see the truth and make those who throw around the racist label actually prove their point, then laugh when the accusers have noting substantial to offer.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. Who the hell are you trying to kid?
Pratt is a racist piece of shit...and it's instructive to see the RKBA crowd try to spin it away......and to defend freepers, racists and Republicans while slurring Democrats right and left.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #7
55. Does noone else agree with ...
Does noone else agree with this?

"Instead we have a shitload of anti freedom politicians getting a mass number of single issue gun voters to vote them in, along with all the other christian, anti abortion, pro drug war, racist KKK members, and anti tax anti workers rights people who help in voting them in."-1a2b3c

I thought it was RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Disturbing is the silence, particularly from the "anti" crowd on this.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
5. The justification for lethal force
must be provided by the police. If they are not required to prove the use of lethal force, i.e. drawing and aiming a firearm, then who is safe under the 4th amendment?
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gonefishing Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Certainly not those 14 year olds!
90 percent of those kids were going from homeroom to english. I bet there were at least 3 or 4 honor students in that hallway. That was a joke!.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 03:59 AM
Response to Original message
57. To reply on-topic....
This is totally rediculous, aiming loaded ready to fire guns at kids......

If by some chance one of the officers involved, sneezed, freaked out, or misinterpreted the action of one of those students, and there was a death because of it, we wouldn't be talking about how wrong this "police state" type of action is, we would instead be marching for something to be done to end this business, like we should be now.

And it wouldn't be just Democrats iether. It would be pretty much everyone except repugs.

This whole business sickens me.
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