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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 08:36 PM
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Milwaukee County DA supports Concealed Carry
http://www.expressmilwaukee.com/article-8973-district-attorney-chisholm-reform-our-gun-laws-a-strict-concealed-carry-permitting-system-plus-background-checks-would-make-wisconsin-safer-da-says.html

From the article: " The package that I am advocating for is based on 10 years of really focused firearm violence prevention strategies. The reality is that Wisconsin’s CCW statute, 941.23, has always been one of the most overbroad and constitutionally challengeable statutes in the country. At the same time, it’s been paired with one of the weakest penalties for committing the offense of CCW. So you’ve got really the worst of all worlds."

As some of you may know, Wisconsin is one of 2 states that currently does not allow any sort of legal concealed carry for private citizens. I'm glad to see a public representative finally coming on board with CCW. Other aspects of his plan also seem interesting, such as private transfers being done through licensed dealers and getting background checks, though I'd like to hear more about them before I come totally on board.

Also, I'm curious as to how "strict" a CCW permit he has in mind. But it's a start either way.

It's time for Wisconsin Democrats to get their heads out of their asses on this issue, because this issue could be one of the major tipping points in our upcoming gubernatorial election.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 09:02 PM
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1. Why is it time to make guns an election issue? When we need jobs, affordable
health care, and homes for the homeless, food for the poor, mass transportation. Guns are an issue that makes JB Van Hallon and Scott Walker big talkers...... I wonder what the gun laws were in Texas when President Kennedy was gunned down? Please, if I have to hear about another child who does not have enough food to eat, or a winter coat this winter, then the dems., are not doing a good enough job framing the real issues that are impacting this gubernatorial race....
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 09:07 PM
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2. Because that takes one issue away from the other side.
The fewer issues that the reps get to use as a wedge, the better. With the majority of americans who feel that gun laws should stay the same or be relaxed, and concealed carry being available in one form or another in 48 states, getting behind concealed carry makes sense.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 09:09 PM
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4. Bah, ya beat me too it, X_Digger! :) (nt)
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 09:08 PM
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3. Your argument is that the democratic party isn't capable of....
....walking and chewing bubble gum at the same time? The simple fact is that CCW IS an important issue to a lot of people in this state, and is supported by the majority of people in this state. Does that mean those other issues aren't important? No. But the dems will have a harder time dealing with those other issues because of the support they lose with their (frankly) ignorant and irrational position on CCW.

Sorry, but I'm just not buying your argument.

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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 09:20 PM
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5. You do Realize, Eric Holder, was on CSpan the other day..
Talking about "more gun control" again.... And Finestein was cheering him on....


He, is making it an issue....He is so far outside of the mainstream on this one, it is not funny, and it can only hurt us at the polls.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 10:05 PM
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6. Because voters are starting to want concealed carry.
Forty states have shall-issue CCW and it hasn't been a problem for those states. What voters want, they eventually get.

Remember, Ann Richards vetoed shall-issue CCW in Texas. She kept Texas a no-CCW state, and handed an election issue to Bush. Bush promised to sign the CCW bill. How did you like the Bush presidency. If Ann had signed the bill, Bush probably would not have defeated her.

Gore lost his home state of TN over guns. If he had won TN, FL would not have mattered.

Kerry lost some key states over guns. Otherwise he would have kicked Bush out.

So we have the gun control advocates to thank for Bush's governorship and for his presidency.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 10:16 PM
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7. And the real sad thing is that we gained NOTHING from them taking those stands.
The violent crime rate wasn't held down because of what they did. And look at the damage that was done by losing those elections. All for nothing. THAT'S the real tragic part of the gun-control elements of the progressive movement.
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 05:22 AM
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8. It's not time to make guns an election issue
Guns have been an election issue for years. The so-called Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 helped lose the Dem majority in both houses.

It's a non-starter because it's a tool for the opposition.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 11:54 AM
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9. And just for the record...
...I never said it WAS time to make this an election issue. I simply pointed out that this COULD be a major election "tipping point" type issue, especially given the current press and gaining support the open carry movement has been getting, which has placed this issue a bit more on the forefront.
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 04:11 PM
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12. You asked why was it time to make guns an election issue
Perhaps my odd way of phrasing my comment is at fault.

There's no need to ask about the timing of making guns and election issue. They already are an election issue - and have been for virtually every election year since 1964. They simply slide up (hardly ever down) the scale of importance from year to year.

Given the current attitude towards guns by many American voters, me included, it is currently getting harder for firearms opponents to get elected except in a few states and districts.

CCW permit requests and CCW permits issued are at an all-time high. Ammunition sales are so high that manufacturers can't keep up with demand. Gun sales are at an all-time high as well. Those facts spell potentially great trouble for anyone touting gun control and seeking election to any body or office that can impact gun control.

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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 10:18 PM
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13. I didn't ask that, midnight did. :)
I wrote the OP. ;) But still, I really like your points in this post, so I'm glad it's here anyway. I couldn't agree with you more! It's not a matter of US making this an issue, it's going to be an issue no matter what, and being on the wrong side of it will only hurt our candidates.
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:13 PM
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14. Oops!
I promise! That's the first time I EVER clicked the wrong spot. Honest!
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:16 PM
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15. lol, no worries :P (nt)
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OttavaKarhu Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:12 PM
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16. You try taking the bus home at 2 or 3 a.m....
...from your shitty minimum-wage job in a rustbelted city in the Northeast.

Then come tell me how guns aren't about jobs, mass transportation, homes for the homeless, and food for the poor.

Because where I come from, food and housing for poor people came from our jobs, mass transportation was how we got back and forth, and we were exposed to high crime rates because upscale Berkeley and Swarthmore and Madison and Ann Arbor and Austin liberals knew better than we did what protection we needed in our daily lives.


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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:21 PM
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17. Exactly.
A few years back I had a former employee make a threat against me because he decided it was my fault for catching him in the act of screwing up his job instead of his fault for screwing up in the first place. The fact that he was also an ex-felon who had been convicted of armed robbery in the past didn't make me feel any better. Suffice it to say that I was as on alert as I could be whenever leaving my office at night (I work 2nd shift, so it's always pitch black when I leave, and we have very poor lighting in our parking lot).

Our current laws made it next to impossible for me to defend myself in the even that this person had decided to make good on his word. Would I have been 100% safe if I had been allowed to carry? No way, I'd still be behind the 8 ball in any sort of surprise assault. But it would have given me a fighting chance. It was very unlikely that I would have had enough time to get police assistance, given that any such attack would have likely been over in a matter of seconds.

Not allowing concealed carry doesn't stop the criminals from carrying, it just keeps the law abiding that much more defenseless.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 01:30 PM
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18. Hey, I'm an Austin lefty! And I have plenty of protection, thank you (nt)
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 02:58 PM
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10. Ironically, every time I open this thread, the ad banner at the bottom...
is for Democratic Candidate for Illinois Governor Dan Hynes, who wants to tackle Youth Crime by "...stopping the expansion of conceal-and-carry legislation...".

http://www.danhynes.com/blogpage.cfm?ID=36

MASSIVE FACEPALM.

Another anti-Civil Rights Governor for Illinois... whodathunkit.

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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 03:17 PM
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11. DOH!
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