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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:11 PM
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2 dead, 1 wounded in Louisiana office shooting
Source: AP

BATON ROUGE, La. (Map, News) -
Authorities have arrested a gunman who allegedly shot and killed two people and wounded a third at a construction company's office in Baton Rouge.

A spokeswoman for the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office says the suspect in Wednesday's shooting is believed to be a former employee of Grady Crawford Construction Co. and the victims are all company employees.

The sheriff's spokeswoman, Casey Rayborn Hicks, says a foreman at the office tackled and disarmed the suspect as he left the building.



Read more: http://www.examiner.com/a-2387424~2_dead__1_wounded_in_Louisiana_office_shooting.html
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:16 PM
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1. Goblins.
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:18 PM
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2. Guns don't kill people
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 06:19 PM by Itchinjim
Crazy fucked-up assholes with easy access to guns kill people. Have a Merry Christmas NRA.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Intellectual honesty.
I'm pretty sure this had nothing to do with the NRA.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:08 AM
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19. NRA is happy
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:10 AM
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29. Is it possible for you to be any more inflammatory?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:30 PM
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38. The Brady Bunch sure is one more tragedy for them to exploit.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
79. Who benefits more from a tragedy
involving the misuse of guns? Those preferring their 2nd amendment rights or those seeking to restrict them?


If anything the grabbers are celebrating this. So merry christmas, maybe with enough appeals to emotion you can overcome our collective reason and leave us less free.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:56 AM
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81. Are you an ass or a fool? n/t
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:18 PM
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3. Wow. Two days before Christmas too.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:29 PM
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4. Similar to what happened in Orlando.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:43 PM
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5. His grievance was that his former employer was contesting his unemployment claim.
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 06:52 PM by sharesunited
Guns solve problems.

Such A Tragedy, Now Carry On Dying Ya'All.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:45 AM
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7. How intellectually dishonest of you. But that's par for the course for you, shares. (nt)
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:11 AM
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30. Another steaming pile left by you.
Carry on spewing BS, shares.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:25 AM
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58. Get some new material. nt
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 01:37 PM
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68. Before I got to your post I figured it was something like that
Guy got fired for violating a company policy. Either (1) he did something bad enough to make them fire him or (2) they just wanted to get rid of him for being an asshole and waited until he did something--took off his hardhat on the jobsite to wipe his brow, maybe?--they could use as justification for contesting his UI claim. With no money and no hope of getting another job (who's going to hire a man who got fired for a safety violation in this economy?) he decided to seek retribution.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:48 AM
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8. Guns don't kill people. Assholes kill people... with guns.
Since we can't get rid of assholes, maybe there's another solution?
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:56 AM
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9. What did you have in mind?
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 02:00 AM by eqfan592
If your thinking of "getting rid of guns" as your post was leading, then you're off base. That hasn't been effective with drugs, it wasn't with alcohol, and it wouldn't be with guns. Worse yet, unlike those other things, you'd be crippling the ability of law abiding citizens to defend themselves.

Look at these poor folks here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x277044

Unarmed folks offering no resistance being killed by crooks.

Sorry, but you can't ignore a little thing called "defensive firearm uses" (among other things).
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:03 AM
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10. Our founders thought that single shot weapons were fair.
Magazine-fed weapons didn't exist, then.

I suppose a modern analogy could work.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:33 AM
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13. Actually, there were semi-automatic weapons around at that time.
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 02:37 AM by eqfan592
Magazine fed even. An air gun, admittedly, but lethal nonetheless. Not common, but they did exist. But that's neither here nor there, as I don't think an objects existence at the time of the framing of the constitution is relevant to the discussion.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:50 PM
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51. Did not know that...
Got a text string you would suggest I google?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #51
57. Gilardoni Air Rifle
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 12:20 AM by X_Digger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

Shot from a 20 round detachable magazine, fired a .51cal bullet at velocities comparable to modern .45ACP.

eta: Lewis & Clark used one :)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. Thank you very much!
Invented 10 years *before* the Bill of Rights was introduced, even.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #10
23. Well the internet is fucked then.
Guess the 1st does not apply here?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:50 PM
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50. My right to own nuclear weapons is fucked then.
Guess the 2nd doesn't apply to all future technologies?
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Merchant Marine Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 02:13 AM
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62. Nuclear weapons are useless for self-defense
Indiscriminate weapons are rightfully controlled, but semiautomatic centerfire rifles with black finishes and scary pistol grips should be available for civilian use. Second amendment is about arms that are useful to an individual for defense of self and nation.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 02:29 AM
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63. Our nation doesn't use nuclear weapons as a self defense deterrent?
Oh, and there have been individual-level use nuclear weapons:
http://tinyurl.com/5twto

It looks like a military weapon, though. I think they were banned for being scary looking.

:evilgrin:
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Merchant Marine Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:07 AM
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64. Read your links.
The Davy Crockett could be launched from either of two launchers: the 4-inch (102 mm) M28, with a range of about 1.25 mi (2 km), or the 6-in (155 mm) M29, with a range of 2.5 mi (4 km). Both weapons used the same projectile, and could be mounted on a tripod launcher or carried by truck or armored personnel carrier. They were operated by a three-man crew.<2>


Three man crew is not individual use.

Again, nuclear arms are not useful for individual self-defense. They may be a useful deterrent for national defense, but it is the role of the state to keep them. Indiscriminate weapons have no purpose in civilian hands unless that civilian has been licensed by the government. Semiautomatic rifles and handguns are a whole 'nother story, because they are eminently useful for personal defense and as militia weapons.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #62
83. Imagine a nuclear hand grenade...
Shitty self defense weapon and useless for target shooting or hunting.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:52 AM
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88. The Second Amendment applies to small arms, not crew-served ordnance.
The question of what it covers was settled 75 years ago, by compromise---non-automatic, non-sound-suppressed small arms under .51 caliber, plus over-.50 shotguns and a few over-.50 hunting rifles. And FWIW, not even soldiers in the military (or even the President himself) can possess or use nukes individually.

The Nuclear Bogeyman Argument as applied to the Second Amendment has to be one of the most ridiculous red herrings ever. You might as well argue that if we don't overrule Roe v. Wade, then killing anyone under age 18 must be OK; it is a false dichotomy.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #10
24. Please turn off your computer and learn to properly sharpen a quill pen point
:hi:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
52. I actually already know how to sharpen a quill.
Printing presses already existed, however... so mass distribution of a message was within their range of contemplation.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #52
75. Repeating firearms also existed at the time
:hi:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
39. Not this idiotic argument again.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
53. Want to tell me how the argument normally runs?
It might save a bit of time.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. Pretty much the way it's been going.
Obviously the Constitution protects the rights within the context of technogical advancements. Newspapers, blogs, new religions are all protected under the Constitution. To argue that the 2nd Amendment is somehow different is simply intellectually dishonest.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. Automatic weapons, rocket launchers, land mines...
I'll toss in nuclear weapons, while we're at it...

Or is your stance that these should be allowed as well?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. I don't think individuals have a right to crew served weapons or explosive devices.
Of course a law abiding citizen can obtain permits for those things regulated under the NFA so to say they aren't allowed isn't correct.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #56
76. Rocket launchers and land mines existed at the time the 2A was written
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 08:56 PM by slackmaster
As well as repeating firearms.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. As for gun control, I propose the following.
Gun owners must be licensed. License fees: $10,000.00 per year, per weapon.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:32 AM
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12. I propose we do the same with computers.
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 02:41 AM by eqfan592
$10,000 per year for internet access. And how about a $10,000 fee for due process in the courts, otherwise your just presumed guilty and tossed in jail.

You need info.

http://www.guncite.com/

EDIT: Oh, and of course all the criminals would abide strictly by any sort of licensing/registration scheme.
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. What part of "infringed" don't you understand? n/t
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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. You're on the right track, but....
I think it should be a tad higher than that.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. So I choose to pay that. Why not just say no poor people get guns.
If I had to move to NYC, Chicago, or Cali, my first step would be to take 10,000 in cash to a local attorney to get a ccw permit. The lawyer can make donations to re-election funds, or just bribe people. Dont fucking care, that is his job.

I PROMISE you I would have a permit to carry in NYC or Chicago in less than 2 weeks.

That will pass right after jesus rises and plays a set with the Grateful Dead and Phish at the Garden.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. People like you are why...
...the democratic party has such a hard time getting work done that would REALLY impact violent crime (like addressing poverty and poor education). You waste time with feel-good, do-nothing-but-squander-political-capital nonsense.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #11
26. So, only the rich may be armed.
How delightfully elitist of you.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #11
27. Good luck getting that one through Congress and the inevitable court challenges
:crazy:
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #11
28. So if you're poor, you don't have rights?
Is that what you're saying? Amazing.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #11
32. And that would stop gun crime how, exactly?
Because, legal gun owners are NOT the ones committing the crimes, you know.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #11
40. Let's make everyone pay a fee to vote also. Oh wait that's unconstitutional.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
77. So only let rich people have gun protection.
Fuck the poor, right?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #77
84. Gun control has always been about keeping "those people" from owning firearms. (n/t)
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
78. I propose we do the same with voting.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #11
82. Which of the following are you:
A fool or an ass?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #11
86. So guns are OK for the wealthy, but not middle- and working-class riffraff like most of us.
How progressive of you.

You support poll taxes, too? How about means testing for the right to speak or be free from warrantless search?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #8
31. Maybe, what are you thinking and why?
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:52 AM
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14. when will companies learn not to fuck with desperate people?
No matter what the circumstances of the termination of ones employment it is in everyones best interest the former employee not have great difficulties moving on in their life - trying to challenge unemployment benefits is just cruel and only inflames the situation with an already likely disgruntled person.

But virtuous cruelty always wins.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 06:11 AM
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15. Two clerical workers dead.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/23/louisiana.office.shooting/index.html

~snip~

Dianna Tullier, 44, of Walker, Louisiana, and Cheryl D. Boykin, 55, of Denham Springs, Louisiana were pronounced dead at the scene, officials said. They were both clerical workers in the construction office.

~snip~

As he was escorted in for questioning, in response to a reporter's question about the shooting, the Matthews replied numerous times: "I couldn't get my unemployment, they wouldn't give me my unemployment."


I kinda doubt that the two clerical workers he killed had much to do with his unemployment.

RIP Dianna and Cheryl.

Will this U.S. gun madness never end?
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
36. You see all the things that went wrong here....
....and you key in on the implement the person happened to choose? You can't really be that dense.
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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:06 AM
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17. Some people will never admit that guns are killing machines.
Keep your sacred guns for hunting and leave society alone. We're trying to have a civilization here.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. Umm. Visit Zurich. You will find lots of guns, even scaaary looking machine guns
in the hands of the public. Yet very little crime, violent or other.

Why you ask?

Access to mental health care.
Limited poverty
Relaxed drug laws.

Those things are what make up ROOT CAUSE of violent crime, they are harder to fix than bamboozling people with gun laws ignored by criminals.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
89. Switzerland has the highest murder by gun rate in Western Europe
Only in Eastern European countries are the gun murder rates higher, and that is because of the widespread availability of guns. Check Interpol for the facts on European crime rates. You're not helping your own argument, kiddo.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #17
21. Where does the constitution mention 'hunting'? n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #17
25. People are killing machines
Guns are just tools that can be used for good or bad purposes.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #17
33. yeah, youre gonna last long.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. Yeah, She's Got A Lot Of Fucking Nerve, Doesn't She?

I mean, posting an anti-gun violence sentiment here at Democratic Underground. Where does she think she is, right?

(Sarcasm alert, for those in need of it.....)
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Stupid is as stupid does, Paladin.
Of course, you know ALLLLL about that now, don't you? ;)
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. Yeah, I Know Stupidity When I See It.

The DU Gun Nut contingent furnishes an endless stream of it......
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #43
55. Only to be outdone by yours with every new post.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #55
66. Merry Christmas, Dave. (n/t)
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pal!
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. Stuck in the 90's, when people actually believed that?(nt)
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Believed In What? The Right To Express Differing Opinions?

I believe you've divulged a lot more about yourself than you intended.....
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. You are part of the hyperbole and ad hominem attack brigade.
THAT is what we are talking about. The fact that you and those like you cannot have a rational debate on this subject, mainly due to your insistence to argue against the facts and only from an ignorant and emotional position.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. In the 90's before the great gun bamboozle was exposed.
gun control is pushed by those to lazy or stupid to address the root cause of violence. Fixing mental health access and drug laws takes real work. Capping a mag at 10 rounds or banning scary guns is easier.

Everyone is pretty much aware that these laws do not impact criminals and other than look good feel good press, they are worth jack shit.

Opinions are fine.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 01:02 AM
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60. Especially with the shoulder thingy that goes up. LOL.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:19 PM
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45. No, its the inflammatory rhetoric that is completely unfounded and not based in reality.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:33 PM
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41. Since cars kill more people how do you classify them?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:23 AM
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65. As transportation
handguns on the other hand- serve only one purpose and their proliferation is the main reason why the US suffers these repeated tragedies.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 03:56 PM
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69. How many times are you going to repeat the same old, debunked and false argument?
Seriously? How many more times? You can say it millions of times, but that will not make it any less false.


Do you have a learning or mental deficiency? I mean, why do you keep repeating the same thing, over and over?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:32 PM
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70. The obsessed will remain obsessed to the point of absurdity and dishonesty
Nature of the beast.

Nothing one can say- no amount of proof will quell an obsession. Only a profound personal tragedy- or medication will.

Meanwhile, the rest of the US population- including a LOT of innocent people will suffer and die needlessly- while other nations that are largely handgun FREE will look on in dismay at the repeated mass shootings and family killings.

Yet another in a long series of dysfunctions that America appears incapable of dealing with.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:38 PM
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71. Please tell me that you are referring to yourself. Because you just described yourself perfectly.
And managed to repeat yourself, again.

You really do need to seek help.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 05:21 PM
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72. I live in a largely handgun free society- we don't have Salvation Army people shot in front of kids
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 05:28 PM by depakid
or post office hostage takings, or workplace shootings on Christmas Eve.

We chose to be that way after one too many mass shootings.

You on the other hand rabidly support handgun proliferation policies that lead inevitably to that very thing. Repeatedly.

Who's in need of help here?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 07:19 PM
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73. Again, you repeat a claim that is patently false.
Why do I even bother with you? You are like a broken record.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 07:26 PM
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74. Really, you dont? How about this then you bald-faced liar.
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 07:27 PM by rd_kent
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/25/2780798.htm

and this

http://www.smh.com.au/national/man-dead-after-shooting-at-christmas-party-20091205-kbcp.html

and a little something on the crime rate since the gun ban

http://current.com/1eu9m4c

and more recent than that

http://candaceclayton100.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/australian-gun-law-update/




So, you gonna repeat yourself, again?
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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:57 PM
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48. Welcome to DU
Enjoy your brief visit.
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:46 PM
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49. Well, should you encounter someone that wishes to rob or kill you...
Be sure you conduct yourself in a civilized manner as you relinquish your cash and depart your mortal
coil.;-)
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:48 PM
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80. I will consent to a total gun ban
when you can guarantee absolute security (including security in our freedoms) without guns. Ie, no crime, no chance of an oppressive government.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:48 AM
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87. So are we.
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 11:59 AM by benEzra
And the founding document of this civilization, as interpreted by both the United States Supreme Court and the consensus of constitutional scholarship, protects the right of mentally adults with clean records to own those types of firearms that are in common use for lawful purposes. We'll keep them, thanks.

I'm not sure where the MSM/gun-control-lobby caricature that "gun owner = hunter" comes from, but fewer than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts, and a majority of hunters also own nonhunting firearms.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 08:37 AM
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85. Followups to the story

Brother of accused workplace shooter speaks to reporters
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11730526


Shooter speaks to reporters
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11726985
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