new VPC angle: black homicides

http://www.vpc.org/press/1001homicide.htm

Josh Sugarmann, VPC executive director and study co-author states, "While Pennsylvania has the highest rate of black homicide victimization, this is a long-ignored crisis that is devastating black teens and adults across our nation."

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from the PDF link: http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide10.pdf


Black Homicide Victimization in the United States: An Analysis of 2007 Homicide Data

Conclusion

Blacks in the United States are disproportionately affected by homicide. For the
year 2007, blacks represented 13 percent of the nation’s population, yet accounted
for 49 percent of all homicide victims.4
As noted at the beginning of this study, the devastation homicide inflicts on
black teens and adults is a national crisis, yet it is all too often ignored outside of
affected communities.
For blacks, like all victims of homicide, guns—usually handguns—are far and
away the number one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America’s black
homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms.

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Brady/ "Guns bad!" hasn't worked as well lately, let's try........ /Brady

...the WHY's of the situation, just focus on the tool used! "Forget the poverty, poor education, gentrification, and all that other stuff! The GUNS are the problem!" Man, these people make NO FUCKING SENSE!

"Gun control is what you do instead of something useful."

No, heaven forbid that we try to fixing the fact that too many urban blacks live in socio-economic conditions that make crime an extremely attractive career option; that would be hard! No, let's go after the legal availability of firearms.

It's equivalent to asserting that we can stamp out the drug trade in urban areas by making the drugs illegal. After all, no-one would think of, let alone dare to smuggle the stuff in, right?

...then there is no reason for blacks to be so disproportionately affected by violence. It's not like blacks legally own guns in disproportionately higher numbers than any other ethnicity, after all.

anyone have any idea why?

my recollection is it used to be maybe 20-25% - higher than the % black americans, but not exaggeratedly so.

49% is astounding. 1 out of 2.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

It was 48% in 1995 and 48% in 2008 (we don't have the expanded data for 2009 yet)

.. and pre-1998, it's huge pdf's, then it's excel files.. ugh. I'm sure all these tables won't come out right, but I'll show my math.

Let me get you a few representative links / areas..

1995 - http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/Cius_97/95CRIME/95crime2.pdf

Scroll down to page 10 of 192

Total White Victims . . . . . . . . . . . . 9,613 6,939 2,674 —
Total Black Victims . . . . . . . . . . . . 9,694 7,913 1,781 —
Total Other Race Victims . . . . . . . 542 387 155 —
Total Unknown Race . . . . . . . . . . . 194 117 44 33
Total Victims1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20,043 15,356 4,654 33

9,694 / 20,043 = 48.4%



1999 - http://www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/ucr/Cius_99/w99tbl2-4.xls (I'll reproduce it here so you don't have to open excel)

Total White Victims . . . . . . . .6,310 4,489 1,818 3
Total Black Victims . . . . . . . .5,855 4,734 1,121 -
Total Other Race Victims . . . . . . . .369 251 118 -
Total Unknown Race . . . . . . . .124 84 28 12

Total Victims1 . . . . . . . .12,658 9,558 3,085 15

5,855 / 12,658 = 46.3%



2004 - http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html

White 6,929 5,031 1,896 2
Black 6,632 5,562 1,067 3
Other 365 269 95 1
Unknown 195 128 41 26
Total 14,121 10,990 3,099 32

6,632 / 14,121 = 47.0%



2008 - http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_01.html

Total 14,180 11,059 3,078 43
White 6,838 4,934 1,903 1
Black 6,782 5,752 1,028 2
Other race 321 215 106 0
Unknown race 239 158 41 40

6,782 / 14,180 = 47.8%

that urban black folks can't be trusted with guns.

Obviously, the best way to protect innocent, poor, downtrodden blacks from predators is to make sure that they don't have the option to be armed to defend themselves and their families. We wouldn't want them to forget their place.

They trust the black folk here... Granted I'm usually the minority at the range, but I do not feel out of place there.

Now if I can only get into the country club. But after that crap Tiger pulled I hear that the Jews are now in line in front of us.

..but it made me laugh my ass off. :P

And he was making light of something that I thought was the end of the world, and it seemed to me that he was being mean.

"If your laughing, your living. If you can laugh at it, you can beat it in the end."

It's a heck of a good mind set if you ask me :)

welcomed all shooters.

If a shooter expressed interest in learning how to shoot better, the experienced shooters were more than willing to help. Race, gender or sexual orientation were irrelevant.

in the mid-90's there were sportsmen's clubs that wouldn't admit women except as an associate member if she was married to a member. I was female so I heard of a couple who told women they couldn't join.

And there were clubs who required recommendation from a member as one way to keep out African-Americans.

This was in SW PA.

Still don't see a lot of African-Americans at the clubs or at competitions though there doesn't seem to be any restrictions with most of the clubs and certainly not with the shooting organizations. Of course women are a bit of a minority too at the clubs & action shoots.

Welcome to DU!

Congressman from Illinois that keeps introducing HR-45. I've tried to wrap my head around his take on guns to at least understand where he's coming from but no success so far. As far as his constituents go, guess they're happy enough with his other works to keep electing him.

but insinuating that the reason we have to restrict firearm ownership is because of blacks is despicable.

If that's their goal, then they are indeed returning to the racist roots of their movement.

I have introduced several black individuals to shooting. I refuse to be terrified by the concept of honest citizens owning firearms just because the color of their skin is different from mine.

That's why "shall issue" concealed carry is a great idea. My next door neighbor is black and has a concealed carry permit. In some "may issue" states, a sheriff or local official might have denied his application.

VPC to have any semblance of shame. :rofl:

Wonder if VPC uses this as another notch in their belt when applying to the Joyce Foundation for their annual $?

"Look JF, look at all the hard work we've done....for the children."

I can't believe, at least for the sake of PR, the VPC would use such a patronizing approach.

with guns.
The country black people I know seem like anybody else.:shrug:

I will grant that black on black crime is a serious problem in our country. But the way in which they bring it up and attempt to use it to deny gun right to all Americans is their version of Willie Horton ads. Scare folks with the image of the black male criminal while pretending to have such great concern for them. We (VPC) will protect you from yourselves.

They wouldn't try such a tactic unless they felt they were losing badly (and they are)and need to try something - anything - else. After all, the attempt to demonize CCW permit holders doesn't seem to be getting any traction.

"Successful efforts to reduce America’s black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

Am I reading that right, or did he just suggest black people should be disarmed?

We had a bout with that kind of thinking in the Chicago area about 5 years ago when the Illinois Handgun control group and Jesse Jackson decided to use African American deaths as an issue.

They used the Englewood, Chatham and a couple of other gang areas with extremely high crime rates as their "proof" and support and demanded that any and all gun shops within 50 miles of the city be closed.

It was a pretty piss poor effort. Then someone in the ISRA asked at a public meeting if they really wanted all Illinois gun stores as a first logical step to addressing what they said the problem was, to discriminate and stop selling guns to African Americans altogether? That brought the whole program to a screeching halt.

But using the crime and death rate in the black community, as a tool to try and disarm law abiding citizens of every color is really despicable. It actually implies that the Brady Bunch and Sugarmann don't really think there are any law abiding African Americans that shoot for sport and the only blacks with guns are all criminals.

That's just sick.

And there you have it.

As soon as the VPC starts painting the problem as a "black" problem and painting the solution as "take guns away from black people", the fallacy of what they are suggesting instantly comes to light.

I find the entire premise highly racist and insulting. They are basically saying that black people can't be trusted with firearms and so their access to them should be restricted. That's crap.

VPC after VT massacre suggested that college students should be prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms....i wouldnt be surprised if what you said above actually comes to life