Bloomberg is at it again, he was on CNN, lieing right through his teeth. He KNOW full well, that a FFL, cannot go to a gun show, and sell guns without NICS checks. O well, Most of us, KNOW that Republicans lie.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/04/20/am.interview.bloomberg.cnn

Just in case you think the threat isn't serious, here is what is in
store for America if the Mayor gets his way in Congress:

* Details of the sale, such as the type of gun, the SERIAL NUMBER,
and any other information the Attorney General may want must be
provided for guns sold by private sellers

* Any person selling a gun, be it just walking around with a gun, or
having purchased a table to sell a gun, must be registered with the
gun show AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE the show and the gun show must
provide PERSONAL INFORMATION about each private seller to the Attorney
General

* Private sellers must show photo ID to the gun show operator and
sign a log book with personal information

* The feds will now have TRUE GUN REGISTRATION information in a
database - Think about that, next time we have a GWB as president...

* If you make a mistake in all of this, you can get up to FIVE YEARS
in prison. The gun show operator also can be put in prison for
paperwork mistakes

* Gun show operators will have to register with the U.S. Attorney
General

* The Attorney General can make up regulations at will for
controlling gun show operators

* The Attorney General can charge a fee, no limit set, for a gun show
operator license

* Gun shows must get permission from the Attorney General 30 days in
advance of any show to be able to have a show

* All sales must go the the National Instant Check System

A barrage of ads and commercials is starting immediately, attempting
to push Congress to pass this legislation!

The full bill can be seen here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2324:

Time to burnup the phone lines and send letters

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:nuke:

Is that the season it is now? I don't really know.


But seriously, please read the post you respond to at least a tiny bit.

Just in case you think the threat isn't serious


If YOU think this is a serious threat of ANY kind, maybe it's time to put your guns down and find something else to do. I am amazed how thous of you who think gun rights trump all other rights can worry that States rights trump your right to keep that piece of steel near and dear to you.


Our duly elected American citizen President has NOT tried to take your guns or even brought up the idea of taking your guns, so if this is a threat and you need to burn up the phone lines to stop it, I suggest that maybe your time would be better spent.

to push his personal take on firearms in America on every other locale that will give him teh time of day. He actively tries to export the very much extreme policies on firearms that his city has to the entire rest of the country, where they have been judged on their own merits and found to be sorely lacking.

I don't think the OP is concerned that he has any chance of getting more than the Brady Campaign's 8K Facebook fans to take him seriously, but the problem is the deception that he is intentionally using in bringing up the "gun show loophole", which is nothing more than the right of American citizens to sell their private property. The point is that, despite his monumental leaps of logic, lies, one fifth-truths, and the fact that no one takes his side seriously except the few remaining he has financed, we still have to take the time to mentally, logically, rationally thrash him for his dishonesty in a public forum.


I agree about President Obama, he has done a fantastic job overall, there have been little things here and there that he has realized are not as practical in the real world, not gun related, and he has truly taken to heart that now that he is a NATIONAL leader, and not a Chicago Senator anymore, he has to operate on national interests, not local ones.

Gun prohibition is a darling of Chicago, but nationally, is very much a failure. It doesn't help crime rates, it doesn't help murder rates, it doesn't prevent accidents, and it does infringe on the rights of U.S. citizens.

to any other person at any type of 'show' is required to register in case there is any type of claim for defect or damage thereafter. Don't tell me guns should be excluded from this as if they should have NO controls at all? You have got to be kidding me. And just like most gun proponents, it's OK to get a driver's license, a boat license, a marriage license but a gun license either to buy or sell, oh no no no that isn't in the Constitution and that is private property oh no no that's none of anyone's business.


One of these days we'll win.

News to me.

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You really are lost, not just in conversation.

Dazzle me with your dozens of examples please.

have been breaking the law because I dont have a boat license. WTF is a boat license and BTW driving is a privilage whereas the 2nd Amend is a right. Get a fucking clue

Why are you using the Repuke meme about Chicago politics/Chicago gun laws?



Hmmmmmmmm.:wtf:

because Chicago is notorious for having corrupt, discriminatory gun laws and a murder rate that proves their approach to gun laws does not work.



It isn't a Republican meme just because you disagree with it bucko.

I just wonder why, a poster with a sig line that says "Republicans a party of adulterers and fear" is parroting the party line, for that vile Repuke Micheal Bloomberg?? And the Republican lead Brady Campaign??

You should be on the correct side of this important civil rights issue.

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:wtf:

in this thread?

almost shit myself from laughter with the "me hearty" I got a stomach bug :hurts:

It would have been my crowning achievement of the internet if you had though.


Hope you recover quickly buddy.

Hope I didn't upset you too with that term.

If so I can come up with a substitute.

I've done it before after all.

The only thing you've done is prove that guns are your life, period, and that is terrible, the steel of a weapon is more important than life itself.

I don't have any guns where I live right now, and haven't for some time.

Spontaneous discussion forum comedy, I love it.

How am I, to paraphrase Jefferson, picking your pocket or breaking your leg by the act of owning a firearm, or even carrying it in public? It's illegal for me to "to carry, exhibit, display, or draw" a firearm "in a manner <...> that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons" (gross misdemeanor in the state of Washington, http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.270); it's illegal for me to aim a firearm at another (gross misdemeanor, http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.230); it's illegal for me assault or kill you, or cause damage to your property, using a firearm; it's illegal for me to knowingly transfer ownership of a firearm to a person prohibited from possessing one (e.g. someone with a felony conviction, a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction, has been adjudicated mentally deficient, or is under a restraining/protection order concerning an intimate partner or child); and it's certainly illegal for me to assault, rob or (try to) kill you.

So exactly which rights of your am I infringing upon? Bear in mind you don't have a right to feel safe, and you don't have a right not to be offended.

You should mind your own business instead of trying to tell those of us who disagree that we're on the wrong side of an issue. This isn't a civil rights issue. Civil rights are the right of people in love to marry. Civil rights are the rights of ALL people to be treated equally, not just gun owners.

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical integrity and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, national origin, age, immigrant status, etc; and individual rights such as the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement.




If you think that spoiled gun owners who want their way in every corner of the country is a civil rights issue, you need to brush up on civil rights.


And maybe you need to stop infringing on my rights.

And he cannot answer the question.

It's a simple question. Really.

As you can see downthread, DB has the tendency not to want to hear from people who ask awkward questions.

Like that time I came home at 2am soaking wet and my wife asked me where my pants were, and why I had not answered my phone for the last 4 hours.

Because of that erroneous way of thinking, I somehow believed that the rights protected by that bill WERE civil rights. Thank you for correcting me and showing me that only the rights YOU like are civil rights, and the remainder are free to be disregarded.

What happens if I don't approve of some of the rights YOU hold dear?

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Showing the world how powerful you are because you can carry a gun? You were granted the right you hold dear because a supine Supreme Court, an activist Conservative Supreme court that thinks you are akin to a militia just can't let that gun go. The day will come when the Court swings back to a more Liberal bent and your supposed right to intimidate others with your guns will be diminished.


And not one of you will stand up and fire a shot. Not one.

I think she pretty much sums up your problem,

'No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.' - - Eleanor Roosevelt

another one for the eternal ignore list.

Not by a long shot. They are very handy tools for dealing with some problems, though. Short of a printing press, or it's modern day equivalent, I can't think of a tool that has done more to allow the common man to seize control of his own fate.

Keeping and bearing arms is a civil right. It's an important right. That's why it made #2 on the Founding Father's Top Ten.

you have police and an Army for that now, your arguments no longer hold water. In spite of all of your attempt to argue otherwise.

It's not their job or problem. You're on your own until such a time as they have someone available to lend a hand. You can buy a copy of the report from them the next day for a few bucks, though.

Oh, and "defending" against Indians? I'm not sure you understand which side was actually on the offensive. The day the State declares open season on your family because of the color of their skin get back with me. And guess what governmental organization was doing most of the killing?

Keep trying it will come to you some day. And if you who are so paranoid think the state is going to declare open season on me and my family (and yourselves), why not move to another country more secure? England? France? Italy? Australia? Spain? That should solve your problem.

And as I've said before, not one of you will ever fie a shot not one. The pants you wear will become brown and yellow, and the PAID militia which you all love to imitate and play pretend in the woods like you belong will stare you down like deer.

Merry Christmas

This one is done.

But it looks like I'll be stuck responding to a poo-flinging chimp-type poster yet again.

All of you are so focused on guns you forget that we live, not live to die over your precious right to carry guns.

Goodbye. Something I should have done sooner.

Can't even stay on topic during your farewell friend?


Come back if you feel like having a chat sometime ok little fella?

have you ever had a shot fired at you? Probably not so dont equate what you would do in your pants to the rest of us. A hell of a lot of us are combat veterans and know what its like to be shot at. I sure as hell remember being scared during intense firefights but not once did I have my fatigues become "brown and yellow". People like you just love to sit around and judge other people but I suspect all your doing is judging yourself.

BTW, In my 35 years in the Fire Service not once did I ever stain my Turnouts "brown and yellow"

The police ante up an officer fulltime for every single member of the community?


I never knew that. All the police departments I've known must have been operating on a shoestring budget with skeleton crews then.


Oh wait, Castle Rock V. Gonzalez, that's right there is no responsibility for the police to protect anyone not in their custody.

The love of the gun, ah yes, blue steel over the comfort of the flesh, why didn't I realize how deprive so many of you are.

It has literally nothing to do with the content of my post, that you were in procedure replying to.

I can't decipher what you meant to communicate or how you got there though.

and that has proven to me your debate is worthless.

Goodbye. I always find most of you in the guns forum know little if anything about real life. Maybe you should experience it sometime.

that was what I was trying to do, to draw you into an actual discussion, instead of just having you post about my love of steel, my neglect of family, of the warmth of flesh, claiming that guns are more important to me than life itself, when not one thing I said supported any of those bizarre assertions.

So if you'd like to have a discussion, there is an electric universe of space to have it in, with all the audience either one of us could ever want and more. But you'll have to actually respond to things people say, not just post strange, reality disassociated comments whenever someone tries to open a dialgoue with you.

at least not in an informative fasion.

You have failed to address a single question or point put to you, and have freely scattered insult, innuendo, deprecation and defamation throughout your posts.

Chimps flinging poo. And I thought that was the Republicans job.

And as to your response,

meh

.

Someone turns it on, and we all come-a-runnin to...


watch you make a fool of yourself.

"your intent has been to be insulting and childish"


*Is insulting and childish*

I think you are projecting a bit there.

And my wife can be found in the firing lane to my side. She's the one with the shotgun, and she's a better shot than I am.

Family ALWAYS comes first.

My Loving Wife and I shoot Highpower, and our youngest(11) shoots 50yd benchrest with a 22 rimfire. Pack a lunch, great fun for all!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

where a judge advised residents to purchase firearms for self protection...



As for the army, there is this little problem ...


Considering the economic situation, other police forces may have to reduce their forces, leaving more citizens unprotected.

Somehow I don't think that your reassurances hold much water, especially for citizens in Ashtabula County.

which is one of the poorest counties in the U.S. and the poorest county in Florida, many people hunt for sustenance. Feral hogs are plentiful and are considered a pest but taste good and can be hunted all year. Deer are also numerous and a large percentage of the population hunt them during the season.

Just because you are separated from self-reliance, does not mean we all are.

http://huntfishcook.com/index.php?option=com_ricettario&Itemid=48

You remember those 'outmoded' ideas like habeas corpus, the right to a fair trial, the right to counsel, the right
not to be forced to testify against yourself, the ban on cruel and unusual punishment, the requirement for probable cause.

Stuff we don't need anymore, amirite?

Great minds think alike...

It's just about as effective at solving problems as prohibition.

that because it worked when you were a child that sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALA" at the top of your lungs will somehow bring others around to your point of view?

meh

since that is the entire purpose of this forum.

Another one who thinks his opinion is more important than anyone else here.

Once again


meh.

and blatently false ones at that.

Got it.

By the bye, are you going to answer my question in #62?

Violence tyranny can take many forms and the 2nd amendment ensures the people have the means to live in a free State.

you said earlier that gun owners dont know about the real world, I've been a FF/Paramedic for 35 years so I think I know about the real world. It seems to me that you live in a fantasy world and all you do is fling insults at those you dont agree with. Go away little person and let the grown ups have the discussion.

but I'll be damned if I need to puff up my chest and show you my life stick.......oh and as to little person, I love how you clowns think that because you're experts on (hahahahahaha I made a funny) firearms, you're the grown ups. FAR from the truth. you're the ones afraid of the dark, not me, and even if I was one of your small people, I still wouldn't be afraid.


Meh.

I know this belligerent thing is your shtick, but its boring.

Virtually NONE of you appear outside of the gun forum. Why/ Because your self-centered focus on guns prevents you from understanding the reality of the world around you.



I have told you this before, If you don't like my posts, simply click the red X and you can go back to back-slapping your buddies when you perceive a gun victory. Here in America of course. The rest of the world is not as stupid and immersed in gun culture as is this country, and neither do they suffer the crime.

Like I said, your choice, move or stop spreading paranoia.

You don't like my posts, don't click on them.

I suggest you stop crying about people wanting to protect themselves with guns and spouting nonsense about the 2nd Amendment not being about civil rights.

It sounds like you would like to live in Europe. Why not move to Europe or Japan and make some cars - if they'd have you.

I figure one of these days, you'll blow a gasket. Its almost happened a couple of times from what I've seen.

which part I am directing at you. And with that, go hug your guns.

Go hug my guns? I can't tell if your 10 years old or losing your mind.

Otherwise I would be on the other subforums more often, I just realize I am as close to a mid-level subject matter expert as this forum will ever see, so I realize that my efforts are best spent here.

Funny, I don't see you around much.

is the perfect analogy where some who oppose RKBA are scorpions.

He's not a Republican.

What an asshole.