Gun Expo Center suicide bought did not require check

Two of three categories of firearms -- handguns and machine guns -- require buyers to obtain background checks. And depending on the firearm, the checks are run at local, county, state and federal levels.

But long guns, meaning rifles and shotguns associated with hunting, may be purchased and transferred from one owner to another without checks, says Bob Sarp, spokesman for gun show organizer Appalachian Promotions.

Authorities say a 50- to 60-year-old man who killed himself Saturday morning in the parking lot of outside the Toyota Arena where the Tri County Gun, Knife and Machine Gun show was held in West Manchester Township had purchased a long gun.

The York County Coroner's Office ruled the death suicide. Minutes before, he'd purchased a 12-gauge shotgun from a person attending the show, then bought five shells from an ammunition dealer, saying he really just needed one to test the shotgun, Sarp said.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/yd/local/ci_15004101?source=rss

handguns and machine guns -- require buyers to obtain background checks

In TN, handguns are cash and carry. No background check required unless buying from a dealer.

First one has to go to a police station, take a short test on knowledge of the gun and the laws. Then obtain a permil to purchase. This is required whether it is from a dealer or private party. A Federal Background check is done to see the person is eligible to own a fire arm under federal and state law. The buyer then has three days to buy the gun and then must have a green owners card with model and serial number on it at all time when in possession of the handgun. If one already has a CCW the first 2 steps are not needed. I remember one of the questions on the test.

If Your gun is stolen you must

A. report it immediately

B. With in a month

C. with in a year

Michigan's laws are Constitutional and make sense to most legal gun owners. It makes so no "gun show" law is needed.

After all, criminals don't bother to go through all those steps.

Gun rights' groups ultimate goal:

for his great picture.
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As it will require electricity before it poops out a handgun .

they just make it more difficult for them. So, you are saying you'd do away with NICS checks by FFL? Because people are going to rob banks anyway, why have laws against it?

If laws like that stop just a few percentages of gun crimes and one of those crimes were to involve your family or loved one, then they are worth it to me.

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MARV: "The judges are sure to score her well for that one, Bert."

Substitute two words and that statement could have come from Shrub's White House:



Every so often, the mask slips and we see what is underneath it...

Green cards are no longer issued. Must mail in a part of the 4 copy purchase set to the MSP. Buyer has to carry it for 30 days. After that, no longer required.

I have a MI CCW and am allowed to carry any handgun that is legally owned. No proof needed.

Rifles and shotguns are cash and carry.

the change sounds reasonable to me.

Didn't they get rid of, or substantially change, the "Safety Inspection" portion of the law just this year?

Seems that they're going in the direction of most states and realizing that it makes no sense to continue to infringe on the right of the people.

If the old laws "make sense to most legal gun owners," then why did the state relax them?

Here's the new stuff:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28jhgw5timrx5zbenmemr3df45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-28-422

This note is at the bottom of the page:
Constitutionality: The Michigan Court of Appeals held in Chan v City of Troy, 220 Mich App 376; 559 NW2d 374 (1997), that the citizen requirement, now MCL 28.422(3)(c), for a permit to purchase a pistol contained in MCL 28.422(3)(b) violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and is unconstitutional.

If purchased from a private person, the requirement vary from state to state. Machine-guns are a different category and require much more than an NICS check.

I someone is going to commit suicide, not having a gun is a very weak deterrent. Guns a basically outlawed in Japan and they have a higher suicide rate than the U.S.

stop a suicide unless the person gets counseling. On the other hand, I think it should not be that easy for a criminal to buy a handgun from a private sale without a background check or any record of the sale. That is why I think states should model their laws on Michigans. The only freedoms it infringes on is the right to sell a gun to a felon or on a felons right to buy a handgun.

I thought you had to have some kind of special dealer or collectors license or something for fully automatic weapons.

Just a normal shotgun.

You are correct that to purchase a machine gun does require an extensive background check, lots of paperwork and lots of money.

can be reviewed at:

http://harrislawoffice.com/content/areas_of_practice/tennessee_firearms/machine_guns.htm

A summary of Federal and state law at:

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm

Some states do not allow citizens to own full auto weapons.

At least, not by Federal law. The transaction itself is subjected to more scrutiny. Usually, it must be signed off by the chief LEO of that jurisdiction and there is a $200 tax stamp. (You can dispense with the LEO approval if the firearm is being purchased by a corporation or a trust.) The owner must submit to inspection pretty much at any time. Sound suppressors are restricted under the same rules.

This is to the best of my recollection. It's been a while since I looked into Class III purchases.

Kinda like these .

But the stamp is not a license. Merely proof that the weapon was legally transferred.

That's what they really care about.

You have to appply specifically to the BATFE, pay a $200 transfer fee, and a bunch of other stuff.

Nothing (so far) released indicates that he wouldn't. Let's see. He stood in line to get in, paid admission, walked around, found a gun he could afford, found another dealer (for the ammo), had the tag removed as he left the show, went to his car and killed himself. Sounds like a pretty deliberate act. Nobody who had contact with him had reason to suspect that this was his intent.

So.. what's the point again?

"Gunz bad!"? Is that it? Or.. "Gunshowz ebul!"? Or how about..

"Man with a plan took his life. Rather than get back into his car and ram it into a wall at 110 mph, he used a gun."

Then we'll all be safe.

:nuke:

They're gross.

:crazy:

He was obviously disturbed, which is sad in itself. He most likely left behind family and friends that are driving themselves crazy over why they didn't see it coming and how they couldn't/didn't do anything to help. If he was willing to shoot himself, he would have found another way. Taking the opportunity to use a man's method of self-destruction to push an agenda that has nothing to do suicide prevention is SICK.

Grow a heart.

EDIT: P.S. if you want to make sarcastic googly-eyes about it...you are even more disturbed and off-level than I thought. I'm done here, I can't talk even through a forum with a person with so little concern for human life.

First of all, there is a good reason for not running background checks on long arms: Long arms are hardly ever used in crime. In fact, per the FBI's unified crime reports, hands and feet account for roughly the same number of deaths as shotguns and rifles combined.

Secondly, unless the person had a criminal or mental background prohibiting firearm ownership, which the article says nothing of, a background check would not have stopped this person from buying a firearm.

nor do other chemicals that I will not post that render you dead as soon as they hit your bloodstream.