Went to get my Ruger Mk III .22/45

today after the 5 day waiting period and an old man came in and found his was denied. He got extremely mad and said "I'll just have to go down to the police station and have a little talk with someone." He also commented that he never had to spend any time in prison. He was an extremely scary old guy. The guy at the gun store was scared of the guy also.

Just someone who looks a lot like me.
And why don't you call more often? :hi:

Isn't that all that matters? :shrug:

Strange he looks like the gardener....

Excellent double-act there.

Thankyouverymuch...

(my bestest elvis voice...)

Guns are NOT for everybody.

about him screamed anger. After he left I found out he has a history in town for being a bit violent.

he might have had a record of mental instability but never spent any time in jail.

If so, the system worked. We need to keep guns out of the hands of people who suffer severe mental problems. Often such people are ticking time bombs.

You should enjoy your new Ruger. I've owned several through the years and found them to be extremely accurate and reliable. They are somewhat difficult to resemble if you break them down for cleaning, but I found that breaking them down after every range session is unnecessary. I usually run a patch trough the barrel, wipe the chamber clean, put a little lube on the slide and wipe the exterior down with a gun cloth. About every 1500 to 2000 rounds, I break them down and clean more thoroughly.

I found CCI Mini-Mags to be a good ammo. The cheaper ammo had more misfires and wasn't as accurate.

I read where the MkIII was much harder to take apart. I got the MkIII .22/45 Hunter with that fluted barrel and adjustable sites. At another gun store they have a mint Woodsman but they want 800 dollars for it.

I remember sitting at the range a couple of time when a shooter would come in with a paper bag containing a disassembled Ruger. The range master would laugh and show them how "easy" it was to reassemble.

I'm not sure about the new Mark III models as I have only owned Mark I and Mark II models.

I looked up a YouTube video that might help:

Ruger MK III Disassembly / Assembly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkPN87hRgbE

Also here's a link to a web site with details and pictures.

http://guntalk-online.com/fsprocedures.htm

As for accuracy, I once believed that if I bought a really expensive .22 target pistol my scores would improve. I purchased a S&W Model 41 and shot it enough to be familiar with it. It's a fine firearm with an excellent trigger pull and also very accurate. It's easy to disassemble and reassemble. However the one I bought was very ammunition sensitive. I had far more failures to fire than ever had with the Ruger and it just didn't like the cheaper brands of ammo. My Model 41 seemed to like standard velocity .22 cal ammo, which is more expensive than high velocity.)

One week for kicks and grins I practiced with the Model 41 and fired then fired 30 rounds offhand at 25 yards at a standard 25 yard timed fire bullseye target. The following week I repeated the test with my Ruger Mark II. My score was a couple of points higher with the Ruger. To me, both firearms were the same as far as accuracy. (A competitive NRA shooter might find the Model 41 better, but I suspect a lot depends on individual taste and experience.)


S&W Model 41

that's a very nice looking .22. I went to the shop today and the story got weirder. It seems the old man had gone allover town trying to buy a gun that day and had been turned down every time. The store owner even said the FBI called him and said they wanted to know if he comes back.

I added one of those scopes with the red dot to mine but didn't like it, maybe it's a cheap one but it just didn't mount right.

especially for someone like me with aging eyes. I never installed one on any of my firearms but I can see how they would help accuracy. I tried several firearms with red dot sights on the range and I was impressed. Maybe someday I'll decide to one on my Ruger Mark II.

Laser sights are a different matter. You can drive yourself crazy trying to steady the laser on the target. These would be far more useful for defensive shooting situations involving point shooting.

I'm glad to see that the system worked to stop the man you are talking about from legally purchasing a firearm. Next we have to work on making sure that he can't just buy one from a civilian without a background check. Many disagree with me but I favor a system where I can complete the sale of any of my firearms at a licensed dealer who will present the buyer with required paperwork to fill out and call in to the NICS system for a check. Of course, the price for this service has to be reasonable, twenty dollars or less.

Currently I only sell my used firearms to a individual I personally know who has a valid concealed carry permit. This limits any sales I wish to make, but fortunately I rarely sell my firearms. When I moved from Tampa several years ago, I sold several handguns I rarely used to a friend and co-worker who had a permit. I easily could have sold them for more money at a gun show or through the newspaper, but I felt better knowing they had found a good home with a responsible and honest person.

with you on the system also. I'm going to look for a better red dot sight today, I hated the one I bought for this pistol.

Red dots, alas, are one of those items that can be really hit or miss (oops, no pun intended). Unfortunately the really good ones can be on the pricey side.

I paid 60 bucks for it. I don't think I'm mounting it right.

It was heavy, parallax was pretty bad, and the black antireflective paint inside the tube flaked off inside the sight and would occasionally obstruct the view. And the mount was indeed hard to set up correctly, even though I was putting it on a full-size rail.

BSA isn't too bad, in my experience, though I don't know about the durability. The really high-end dots like a lot of competitive shooters use can cause a bit of sticker shock, though...


http://www.amazon.com/JP-Enterprises-Red-Dot-Sights/dp/B00398FWLW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1273414763&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dsporting&field-keywords=docter+red+dot&x=0&y=0

http://www.amazon.com/Trijicon-RMRTM-Ruggedized-Miniature-Reflex/dp/B002J1WE3E/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1273414157&sr=1-24

http://www.amazon.com/Leupold-65930-Deltapoint-Mounts-7-5Moa/dp/B003IT9CG8/ref=sr_1_58?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1273414217&sr=1-58

http://www.amazon.com/Aimpoint-Micro-H-1-MOA-Md/dp/B0017DGLJI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1273414310&sr=1-1

And if you want to get really fancy, you can have the optic inletted into the slide or receiver...


http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1.php

I'm going to get one of those. I got to shoot today and the Mk III was dead on.

It is difficult to do as the dot is more precise than the iron sights.

Lasers are really great for certain uses, worthless for others.

And without even banning teh skurry gunz. Incredible, I know.

from Moscow, Idaho?

Moscow Idaho over the weekend. Small world!

Another epic waver in the making , averted .

"10 day waiting period? But I'm mad NOW!"

I always thought that was funny.

The rejection for a gun buy usually comes from the state police, not the locals...I hope he didn't "talk to" the wrong people...

mark

a handgun since I lived in Texas so it's a new experience for me. I bought a few .22 rifles lately but they were same day purchases over in Idaho. I don't mind the wait at all, gave me time to find a the fitted holster for it.

at one time here in PA...I am always surprised to hear that so many states have so much regulation on guns...People complain that guns are so easy to get - I guess they are if you steal them, but you have to jump through some hoops to buy them legally.

FWIW, I hope you enjoy that Ruger - they are great pistols, fine shooters and built like a truck - it will last several generations.

mark

I bought a P22 with all of the extras at a garage sale with no questions asked. I'll bet old grumpy that got denied hits the private sales now.

given the governor's consistent consistent citation of Brady-bunch nonsense whenever the topic comes up.

Oh well....viva la ammunition...or, something.

Has anyone EVER broken a Ruger?

the cylinder in a revolver. I have NO IDEA how it got out of line, but just when you try to make something fool proof, along comes a higher grade of fool...

All the Rugers I have ever owned - rifles and handguns - were made about as indestructable as it is possible to make them. I owned several older Security Six revolvers that were just starting to smooth up after 25 years of use.

mark

Sounds to me like someone is a convicted felon and he knows it. Or he's caught a domestic violence charge at some time. Going to the police and complaining may very well get him undesirable results. There's a box on form 4473 where they ask, under penalty of perjury, if you are a felon. I wish the old guy all the luck in the world. "Breaking rocks in the hot sun. I fought the law and the law won."

Some people should not be able to buy guns.

WRT the OP... as angry as he sounds, given the past of such a person it seems the NICS might have worked!

22/45 is a solid choice and it should last forever. You need to get one of the mag speedloaders rather than buying any extra mags - totally worth it. Toss a little Burris Fastfire II or one of those cheap reflex sights on it and they become VERY accurate. I had a 2X scope on mine for awhile and it was so accurate, shooting under 25yds became boring - lol.

But a BSA red dot? Go for broke, man!

Seriously, though, I have so many questions:

How much was the threaded barrel/getting it threaded?

What kind of wait time on the tax stamp?

Does a suppressor require submission to the anal probe requirement like a class III firearm?

How loud is it compared to a non-suppressed .22 rifle?

Any reliability issues, like the target models?

...You don't actually have to answer, I guess.

In sum: :toast:

It was broke so I got it off a guy free. Re machined the base and enlarged/retapped a few holes.
Works great now. Being free, it's by far the bast value of any optic I own.

Barrel threading (and hot bluing) was done for about $150 (by Tornado Technologies).
It has a thread protector that, when installed, is quite literally invisible to detection.
The refinishing was included with the work and is phenomenal.

Tax stamp wait was ~2 months exactly. But this was a few years ago.

There is no forfeited rights with NFA items (even machine guns). The only thing the ATF can show up and "demand" to inspect is the Tax Paperwork and not the actual item itself. Having NFA stuff is not carte blanche for warantless home inspections. However if they wanted to see the gun, I'd let them because it's the wrong agency to tango with... especially if you've got a small dog like I do. In fact, the ONLY people you are required to show your NFA forms if requested to is the BATFE or other IRS entity (The Form 4 is a tax form, nor a permit/registration form).

It's pretty comparable to closing a car-door or clapping your hands.
I've shot in my basement before and family members one floor directly over me do not hear it.
The bullet impact is MUCH louder than the shot. This video was taken in my workshop:
http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Gun%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=100_4132.flv

It is a 5.5" bull barrel 22/45 with target sights. No issues at all. Cans actually give guns more back pressure and can help them cycle. For example, firing weak subsonics out of a 22/45 usually gives alot of trouble cycling... but not with the added back pressure of a silencer. It really doesn't matter on a pistol because even high velocity bulk .22 ammo stays subsonic because the barrel is short.

I've got a little fixed power BSA on my bolt .22 rifle, and it has never left me down.

I suppose my "anal probe" statement was a little over the top. It just bothers me that to have a muffler (something the state REQUIRES on cars) you have to submit to "your papers please."

that looks different than mine, I do like that sight though

You can legally own them, but they're illegal to use. Periodically, a bill is introduced in the state legislature to exempt persons who in compliance with the NFA, but no joy so far.

the customer...is very rarely right.

delayed for purchase at McDonalds in the morning.