The RKBA Crowd in Action

Another fine example of the sort of scum that make up the RKBA crowd....

"A Carroll County man who helped police break up an unrealized murder plot by purported cultists in 2001 now faces charges, after state investigators said they found 17 unregistered machine guns at his home - including two loaded machine guns found next to a sleeping 12-year-old girl.
Tabassi was in the news in 2001 after leading police to a conspiracy to commit murder involving Scott Caruthers and other members of Beta Dominion Xenophilia, a Carroll County group that reputedly believed Caruthers was a space alien and a messiah who would save followers from catastrophic "Earth changes."
Tabassi, a former bodyguard for Caruthers, went to state police after he said group members solicited him to commit the killings. Five group members, including Caruthers, pleaded guilty to charges of conspiring to kill "enemies" of the group.
Yesterday, at a morning bail review hearing in Carroll County District Court, Tabassi interrupted his lawyer, Fred S. Hecker, and adamantly told Judge Marc G. Rasinsky that he operates a gun dealership from his home and is in lawful possession of the weapons."

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-ca.guns07aug07,0,3099656.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Let's see...he was licensed by both BATF and the MSP. I wonder if Maryland conveniently "lost" his registration forms....It's happened before...

"I wonder if Maryland conveniently "lost" his registration forms..."
If they haven't, they should....

He broke no law by having a firearm (loaded or otherwise) by a child.

That's not to say that he wasn't stupid doing it, but being stupid is not against the law.

B

I pity you...

"If they haven't, they should...."

you make my argument for me....registration is a good way to turn law-abiding people into felons even if they've done nothing wrong.

As an unnamed agent at ATF once said" Everybody who owns machineguns is a felon. Some just haven't been convicted yet."

"even if they've done nothing wrong."
Hello? This dodo was BREAKING the law.

you just said if they hadn't made his registration papers disappear, they should have. That would mean that he WAS obeying the law by registering the guns, and that the MSP made the records disappear. The fact that he was licensed by ATF and the MSP to deal in those guns shows that he was at least trying to obey the law. This is why he was charged with state misdemeanors, and not federal felonies.

much less selling them.

"The fact that he was licensed by ATF and the MSP to deal in those guns shows that he was at least trying to obey the law."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrre....

he obviously passed the background checks required for licensing...Do you have some actual facts to show that he shouldn't have been allowed near guns, or is this your typical "nobody should be allowed near nasty, evil guns!" bit?

You mean being bodyguard for the "messiah" isn't enough for YOU?

Wow.....

eom.

you'd leave the ground.....

you seem to say that his religious beliefs should preclude his owning firearms. Did I misunderstand your position?

Dick Button couldn't spin that fast....

the minute someone counters one of Benchley's arguments with good solid points his next post is guaranteed to accuse you of spinning.

that any silly distraction, no matter how desperate and far afield, is considered a "good solid point" by the RKBA crowd.

Or did you think that the yokel from Carroll County who was pretending to be an extraterrestrial actually WAS the Messiah?

The fact they had a weird sect out there means zip.

In fact MrB is correct.
Most states have "on the books" legislation that prohibits allowing minors access to weapons.

that we don't know that he left the guns where the kids could get them. He says he didn't. A judge though he was so much of a threat to society that he gave him a $25,000 bond...which means that the guy walks out of jail if he can come up with $2,500 for a bondsman. The State asked for $250,000.

Accused ain't convicted...

My comments were strictly based on the articles content.

including two loaded machine guns found next to a sleeping 12-year-old girl

It does appear that some are convicting him before the trial.

I'm jealous of that child! :)

I'm all for them.

Some "saving lives"...he didn't kill the guy that the nutcase he worked for tried to hire him to kill.

He's a frigging Albert Schweitzenegger....

he turned the person that tried to hire him over to the police. What should a law abiding person do differently???

You mean he didn't make the hit when he was ordered to by the "messiah?" What a frigging humanitarian!

by reporting it to the police?

What, exactly, was he SUPPOSED to do when approached by somebody trying to get him to break the law?

It's amazing to see how desperately the RKBA crowd will spin.

Why that happens every day to decent folks...the cult leader who's pretending to be an extraterrestrial that they work for asks them to off an enemy....

whay YOU would do differently in that situation...

By reporting it, he did the right thing.

I think I'll wait until somebody I work for, who is pretending to be from outer space and leads a cult, orders me to assassinate one of his enemies before I start pondering this everyday ethical dilemna...

Hand us a BIG BIG laugh....

who was asked if she knew where to find a hitman to kill sombody. She was a catholic. What should she have done?

Did she have a cache of machine guns? Was it the Pope who asked her to find the hitman?

it was the vietnamese guy who used to do her fingernails. Apparently he was having domestic problems at home. And no, she doesn't have machineguns...she has regular guns....rifles and pistols and shotguns.

Get a clue.

no extraterrestrials, no Elvis sightings, just a dremel tool and some nail polish.

You've put out lots of posts of dubious content, but are still ducking the question: What should a responsible person do if somebody tries to get them to kill somebody?

You REALLY have to chase that rat into the sewer?

"You REALLY have to chase that rat into the sewer?"

that argument was even more vapid than I've come to expect from you. That's saying quite a bit, I might add.

what an ordinary gun nut ought to do when someone asks them to shoot somebody....it's such a piquant ethical dilemna.

It's especially amusing when the person doing the asking is posing as an extraterrerstrial....

I asked what YOU would do.

Let me just say that since I don't hang around gun shows with the scum of the earth, I don't expect to be asked....

"What should a responsible person do if somebody tries
to get them to kill somebody?"

Allow me to be Miss Manners, and say:

Why do you ask?



Aristotle is a man.
All men are mortal.
Therefore Aristotle is mortal.

You betcha.

Now ... just pretending that there was some purpose to be served by asking or answering this question of yours ...

A responsible person tells the police if somebody tries to get them to kill somebody.
Joe Blow went to the police when somebody tried to get him to kill somebody.
Therefore Joe Blow is a responsible person.

Oops.

Or ... did you have some other point? Like, one that wasn't based on such bizarrely fake "logic"?

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ask you, "Say, the messiah from outer space asked me to shoot a few people he doesn't like. What should I do?"

Happens all the time in this neck of the woods.

Because he owns guns he's RKBA scum?
Or, do you actually know this man?

We would all like to know how this label is so freely applied by you, and what qualifies a person to be "scum".

I could be wrong here, but it appears that you are applying this label to anyone who believes in gun rights, and who owns guns.
Is this so?

I am asking this so that we don't have to go through the whole "logic" game played out in another thread between several people on this board.

"We would all like to know how this label is so freely applied by you, and what qualifies a person to be "scum"."
Uh, hanging around with a lunatic cult and having illegal weapons, some near a child, certainly does in my book. Of course, I realize some people want to try to paint lunatics like this as the salt of the earth...but they're usually the sorts of people who try to pretend Ted Nugent isn't racist scum.

right concerning this individual. Seeing as he didn't care about his child and all, but you failed to answer the other question.

It appears that you are applying this label to anyone who believes in gun rights, and who owns guns.
Is this so?

What sort of people would defend arming a lunatic?

and should be deprived of their civil liberties because of it? I must admit, that's a novel approach....

"should be deprived of their civil liberties"
Now, did I say he should be prohibited from joining the National Guard if he wished?

exercising a civil liberty, or placing yourself in a virtual state of indentured servitude? Should he still be allowed to vote?

Try and ask some more desperately wild questions....

Do you think he has a nice suit to wear for his court appearance?

Yet you call those of us in favor of keeping the 2nd
amendment "scum" and are not locked.

usually by the sort of loonies who pimp for scum like this guy or Ted Nugent.

It is arguments like yours that helped sway me completely in favor of the 2 amendment. Keep up the good work.

Oh yes I'm listening to Ted Nugent right now, and am married to my toothless cousin--and we live in a trailer-park. Hey, you should see our kids, their baby bottles are shaped like bullets.

And it is not about what you have been called elsewhere. It is about the double standard in evidence by your name calling being permitted at a site we all share.

"It is arguments like yours that helped sway me completely in favor of the 2 amendment. Keep up the good work."
Yeah, I can tell from the screams of rage....

I have even joked in my posts--you however have revealed yourself to be the kind of irrational anti-gun person that turns off people who are middle of the road on this issue--which polls show most Americans are. Again, keep up the name calling and painting with a broad and ridiculous brush.

Hey. you sound like you would shoot NRA members if you could, that is ironic.

of certain people.....reminds me of a bumper sticker:
Kill all Extreemists

I'd like to see someone whom can acess the "Search" function here look-up...

"pantload"
"cry me a river"
"dumb enough to belive it"
"Nugent"
"corrupt gun industry"
"gun loons"

(did I miss any?)

Multiply by 2 to account for any "message deleted" posts.

to see how many RKBA "enthusiasts" here have actually tried to pretend over the past couple months that Ted Nugent isn't a racist.

Or who have angrily demanded "proof" that the gun industry is corrupt and then screamed in rage when they got it.

If Ted Nugent has sex with sheep....I don't care!
If Ted Nugent fathers the anti-christ....I don't care!
If Ted Nugent can walk, chew gum and fart yankee doodle dandy in key.......I don't care!

Ted Nugent can pucker up and french kiss my ....orifice!!!

He does not speak for me or anyone I know!
Your right, he's made some racist remarks.....I don't care!
Like I said before "He does not speak for me or anyone I know!".
So peddle that crap elsewhere, cause it doesn't prove anything other than he's a racist, and It don't mean shit!

As for "Or who have angrily demanded "proof" that the gun industry is corrupt and then screamed in rage when they got it."

That's a crock a crap, you have never offered up anything that demonstrated it even remotely. You have demonstrated, very well, several opinions, but you have never offered any "proof".

Their chief lobbying group made him an official member of its governing body.

And everytime I point out here what a racist piece of shit he is, I get a lot of argument from the RKBA "enthusiasts" here about how I'm being unfair to poor Ted....

"That's a crock a crap, you have never offered up anything that demonstrated it even remotely.That's a crock a crap, you have never offered up anything that demonstrated it even remotely."
The hell I haven't.

And everytime I point out here what a racist piece of shit he is, I get a lot of argument from the RKBA "enthusiasts" here about how I'm being unfair to poor Ted....

Re-read the previous post

I don't care if you beat him with a baseball bat every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.
The point is how ridiculous your suggestion is that everyone who is RKBA supports Ted the racist.

OK TED NUGENT IS A RACIST -THE RKBA GANG SHOULD SHUN HIM FOR THE EVIL MAN THAT HE IS. WE SHOULD TAR AND FEATHER HIM FOR ALL THE RACIST COMMENTS HE MADE.
There, I said it, now that argument has no relevance any longer.
Get over it move on.



The hell you have
- what an article from guns are bad inc., or evil firearms dot org, or perhaps some other totally unbaised group like People for the ethical disposal of your guns, civil rights and movement to re-write the bill of rights?

He fits right in with some of the other scumbags on the board.

"now that argument has no relevance any longer."
And if you clap your hands, Tinker Belle will live again...

Only a vague reference to some "anti-Latino" speech. What did that speech say?

If you want to spin Nugent's idiocy away, find another playmate.

sorry...

But I guess we can all see what your opinion is worth now...

Walter_Bowman (38 posts) Wed Aug-13-03 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #108
112. Cry me a river...
this guy killed less people than Ted Kennedy.

How many people DID this guy kill?

over on High Road...

You can't even tell me where you got that! :-)

Racist
Scum
gun nuts
RKBA scum
peddle it elsewhere
Racist NRA Board
NRA scum

walking epitome of tolerance.

I wondered how Walter had picked up the lingo so quickly.

There he was, asking someone to cry him a river, I think it was. One might almost have thought that he'd had previous lessons. But I guess he must just be a quick study, with eager tutors.

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nt

every day...

"the kind of irrational anti-gun person"
Yeah, it sure is irrational not to let someone who works for a cult leader claiming to be a space alien own an illegal arsenal and put loaded machine guns where a kid could get them.....

"keep up the name calling and painting with a broad and ridiculous brush. "
Gee, it's not all THAT ridiculous...look at how desperately some of the RKBA crrowd are trying to stick up for this criminal.....

I thought that all you had to do was say that someone was filled with rage, and that would be good enough to get you quoted as an expert and your words quoted as proof of what you assert.

(I am not forgetting that the poster who did the quoting here added that wise question mark after the description "Expert<'>s opinion". The JFPO certainly didn't.)

You might want to call yourself a psychiatrist when you do it, though.

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How many people has he killed?

"How many people has he killed?"

I've forgotten. (Perhaps I never knew ... perhaps for very good reason.)

What's your point?

Is how many people someone has killed the unique criterion by which it may be determined whether s/he is scum, or whatever the issue might be here?

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Was George W. Bush scum before he acquired the presidency of the US?

Are people who beat their children and pets scum?

Are people who wake me up at 8 a.m. on Saturday by operating chain saws in the next yard scum?

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Are people who place loaded machine within the reach of children scum?

Do let us know your answers.

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Where does it say that? It says "near". What does the reporter mean by that? 1 meter? Arm's reach? Same room? Under her pillow? Same room, but in a closet? Would be nice to know. It would also be nice to know how much of a clue the girl had of gun safety.


So, to sum it all up, we don't know if he actually endangered the girl. We DO know, from the article, that he did not commit any crime of violence, nor did he harm any other person - despite obvious capability.

and the results are helping the pro RKBA crowd. From the pro RKBA side, I would like to say "Thank you, MrBenchley!"

More pro gun legislation is getting passed now than ever. More pro gun groups are growing and gaining legislative influence.

More anti gun lawsuits are meeting their end faster and faster each year. More and more gun fearing groups are watching their anti-gun agenda and their membership wither away and die.

To you I say, THANKS FOR THE HELP! :P

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You are pushing a political agenda that you and maybe your mom supports, and that's it.

The anti gun agend is a loser, it was designed by losers for losers, and is supported by losers.

Next time it is only you and your mom at the next anti gun meeting ask yourself, "Where did we go wrong?"


ohh ps - cry me a friggen river

and if the Democratic presidential candidate proclaims to be pro gun control well, we all no what the next four years has in store for us:-(

A Democratic president and a bunch of gun nuts sniveling and crying in public.

Meanwhile it's a sure bet that no matter who the Democratic candidate is, the gun lobby is going too lie their corrupt asses off about him.

Because it sure seems as if you're doing a lot of crying here.

But then I'm not the one trying to pimp for this scumbag in Maryland....

it doesn't appear you do anything else.

"The anti gun agend is a loser, it was designed by losers for losers, and is supported by losers."
Be sure and stomp your feet and pout when you post rubbish like that..

The plain fact is that a solid majority of Americans want more gun control.

"Large majorities back most general measures for controlling guns, policies to increase gun safety, laws to restrict criminals from acquiring firearms, and measures to enforce gun laws and punish offenders. In general, a majority endorse all measures to regulate guns, increase gun safety, and reduce gun violence, except for policies that entail a general prohibition on owning guns.
88% want to make gun-safety training mandatory before a gun may be purchased. 79% support requiring a police permit before a gun can be purchased. 78% favor requiring background checks for sales between private individuals. 77% endorse the mandatory registration of handguns and 70% want handgun owners to be required to re-register their weapons at regular intervals. 77% also agree that “the government should do everything it can to keep handguns out of the hands of criminals, even if it means that it will be harder for law-abiding citizens to purchase handguns.” 74% want to require that all new handguns be personalized so they can only be fired by their legal owner. 73% favor both a background check and a five-day waiting period before a handgun may be purchased. 69% endorse limiting handgun purchases to one per month per buyer. 63% back the idea that all handgun owners should at least be licensed and trained in the use of their weapons. 52% favor allowing concealed-carry permits only for those with special needs such as private detectives.
A near majority of 49% backs having handguns limited to law enforcement personnel..."

http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/

is who funded the "poll".
Hello - if I wanted to prove anything with poll numbers I could.

To add to this look at how funded the poll in order to get the biased results.

The survey is the most comprehensive and up-to-date study of American attitudes toward gun policies. The study was conducted by NORC and the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, with funding from the Joyce Foundation of Chicago.

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/98/980917.guns.shtml

The Joyce Foundation of Chicago is an anti RKBA group.

So tell me, if the "poll" didn't reflect the "right" numbers,do you think the Joyce Foundation of Chicago would fund them again?

HELL NO THEY WOULDN"T!!!

"The Joyce Foundation of Chicago is an anti RKBA group."
You mean they don't SELL guns? Imagine!

"The Joyce Foundation supports efforts to protect the natural environment of the Great Lakes, to reduce poverty and violence in the region, and to ensure that its people have access to good schools, decent jobs, and a diverse and thriving culture. We are especially interested in improving public policies, because public systems such as education and welfare directly affect the lives of so many people, and because public policies help shape private sector decisions about jobs, the environment, and the health of our communities. To ensure that public policies truly reflect public rather than private interests, we support efforts to reform the system of financing election campaigns."

http://www.joycefdn.org/about/aboutmain-fs.html

They sound like real dangers to outstanding folks like Mary Rosh and this bozo with the machine guns.....

http://www.joycefdn.org/programs/gunviolence/gunviolencemain-fs.html

Notice the numbers spin "second only to automobile crashes" ooohhhh!


Wake up they're a front for your agenda.

"Notice the numbers spin "second only to automobile crashes" ooohhhh!"
Yeah, how dare they quote acccurate statistics.

And imagine them spreading vicious lies like "But while safety regulations have dramatically reduced automobile fatalities in recent decades, firearms remain virtually unregulated."
Oh, wait....that's true.

"Wake up they're a front for your agenda."
Yeah, it's called sanity.

"Yeah, how dare they quote acccurate statistics."

Try again

"firearms remain virtually unregulated."

Do your homework, I'm not here to teach you the basics.

"Yeah, it's called sanity."

We all have opinions

you have nothing more to say on the subject.

"Do your homework"
Done it...that's how I know RKBA lies when I see them.

An excerpt from:

Raging Against Self Defense:
A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality
By Sarah Thompson, M.D.


The Common Thread: Rage
In my experience, the common thread in anti-gun people is rage. Either anti-gun people harbor more rage than others, or they're less able to cope with it appropriately. Because they can't handle their own feelings of rage, they are forced to use defense mechanisms in an unhealthy manner. Because they wrongly perceive others as seeking to harm them, they advocate the disarmament of ordinary people who have no desire to harm anyone. So why do anti-gun people have so much rage and why are they unable to deal with it in appropriate ways? Consider for a moment that the largest and most hysterical anti-gun groups include disproportionately large numbers of women, African- Americans and Jews. And virtually all of the organizations that claim to speak for these "oppressed people" are stridently anti-gun. Not coincidentally, among Jews, Blacks and women there are many "professional victims" who have little sense of identity outside of their victimhood.

http://www.jpfo.org/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

What a stupid piece of crap.

"In my experience, the common thread in anti-gun people is rage."
Hell, I'll bet someone THAT dishonest encounters rage everywhere..

You skipped the good part:

Consider for a moment that the largest and most hysterical anti-gun groups include disproportionately large numbers of women, African- Americans and Jews. And virtually all of the organizations that claim to speak for these "oppressed people" are stridently anti-gun. Not coincidentally, among Jews, Blacks and women there are many "professional victims" who have little sense of identity outside of their victimhood."

Among normal people, that kind of assertion is called "bigotry", "racism" and "misogyny".

Why miss a chance to congratulate them for proving yr own point?!

And why is "the international conspiracy of Jews, communists and bankers" springing all unbidden to my mind ...

But yeah, it would indeed be hardly surprising that people who said things like this frequently encounter what s/he would undoubtedly and disingenuously choose to characterize as "rage".

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They seek to weaken the purity of our bodily essences....just ask General Ripper...

It IS amazing that these RKBA bozos post nutcase crap like this in public, isn't it?

This was posted somewhere else around here:

http://www.barutiwa.com/cgi-bin/bns/publish/article_129.shtml

In 2002, 63% of Blacks identify as Democrats, down from 74% in 2000. The number of independents has risen from 20% to 24%. Among 18-25 year olds, 34% now identify as independent.

Whew. A drop from 74% to 63% in two years. From 3/4 to less than 2/3.

So ... if we take at face value that business about all the enraged, whining anti-firearms African-Americans supporting stricter firearms control (how's the Democratic Party doing among the enraged, whining women and Jews? would be what I'd wonder about next) ... well, I'll bet you can guess what MY question is.

Why would the Democratic Party want to risk losing all THOSE votes by adopting that "RKBA" agenda??

Or, conversely, why wouldn't the Democratic Party be interested in winning all THOSE votes back by advocating stricter firearms control??

I wonder about so much stuff.

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Gun control is for losers, losers, losers...you can tell by the way gun nuts pretending to be Democrats here pout and stamp their feet. (snicker)

"Why would the Democratic Party want to risk losing all THOSE votes by adopting that "RKBA" agenda??"
Especially since it is such a tiny minority opinion....and already committted to the corrupt GOP...

And it's not a pro-gun person, either.

I'm Jewish, and I'm 100% pro-rkba.

So are those guys: http://www.jpfo.org

"I'm Jewish, and I'm 100% pro-rkba."
Whoop-dee-friggin'-doo. And JPFO was the source of this racist puddle of pus inn the first place.

nt

who are "enraged professional victims"? After all, the imbecile who put this horseshit on the web says they're easily found.....

...I prefer not to have with them.

And already, gems like:

"...I prefer not to have with them."

Dinner? Sex? Children? (Hey, it's a free country, isn't it? If you prefer not to, don't! What do we care?)

Just me, wondering ...

Watch out, or I'll start whining.

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ANYTHING to do with them.

that killer Teddy Kennedy...

Wonder how long before this guy will have to be making up a new nickname to sneak back in here...

and I'll help you choose yours.

and you'll end up with cotton candy too.
Let's see I remember A few racist opinions presented by your little buddy your addressing. Oh, I'm sorry I remember you were trying to defend those, so that's different.

Before your go to far on a rant of racism - look at the source http://www.jpfo.org

"Let's see I remember A few racist opinions presented by your little buddy your addressing."
Gee, now why do I doubt that...oh yeah, consider the source of that....

"Before your go to far on a rant of racism - look at the source"
Yeah, a bunch of gun nuts who posted this racist crap you cut and pasted. Shame on them.

I can't really even parse that post of yours. Slow down, take the time to write in complete sentences.

"Let's see I remember A few racist opinions presented by your
little buddy your addressing. Oh, I'm sorry I remember you were
trying to defend those, so that's different."

You "remember" what?? Perhaps you'd be civil enough to share your "remembrance".

Or heck, you can just keep on making false allegations.

"Before your go to far on a rant of racism - look at the source http://www.jpfo.org"

(You've twice misused the word "your" in this single post. In the first instance, you meant YOU'RE, the contraction of "you are". In the second, you meant YOU. And that's "TOO far". Help me out, eh? The ideas are hard enough to follow, without having to wade through a field of grammatical landmines in the attempt.)

JPFO? What, you think I haven't seen that collection of loons before?

Like I said, ya find 'em everywhere. The self-interested, bum-sucking ones doing their best to get what they can for themselves, generally at the expense of others who share their disadvantages. (I won't actually call them "self-hating"; I don't really care. The fact that they participate in the oppression of anyone, whether of their own race or sex or ethnicity or not, is all I need to know.)

Sidney Poitier spotted Colin Powell for one, remember? And I can spot, oh, Phyllis Schlafly. And I can spot the JPFO, too.

Oh, and by the way.

A psychiatrist who publishes this kind of unprofessional nonsense:

How does my correspondent "know" that his neighbors would murder him if they had guns? He doesn't. What he was really saying was that if he had a gun, he might murder his neighbors if he had a bad day, or if they took his parking space, or played their stereos too loud. This is an example of what mental health professionals call projection – unconsciously projecting one's own unacceptable feelings onto other people, so that one doesn't have to own them. In some cases, the intolerable feelings are projected not onto a person, but onto an inanimate object, such as a gun, so that the projector believes the gun itself will murder him. <citations omitted>

... oughta be stricken from the rolls. It's a simple as that. The use of a professional designation to engage in such speculation in public about an individual, quite apart from the utter vicious drivel of the rest of the opinion, is intolerable.

I'm very tempted to forward the article to Albert Ellis and get his opinion of her violations of professional ethics and misuse of therapeutic concepts, since those concepts are something he has particular expertise in. I imagine he'd be about as bored by it all as I am, though.

Oh, oops. Did I say "psychiatrist"? Dear me, I seem to have been misled:

http://www.therighter.com/

The Righter is Sarah Thompson, M.D., a retired physician and writer. Dr. Thompson is dedicated to the restoration of full civil liberties and limited Constitutional government. She writes a column, The Righter, which focuses on civil liberties and individual responsibility and action. Her philosophical framework incorporates both radical libertarianism and modern Judaism. She has also written articles and Op-Eds on a variety of subjects including firearms rights, psychiatric abuses, asset forfeiture, and Waco. Dr. Thompson is working on her first novel.

Wow. I'm mighty impressed.

Now maybe somebody can just explain to me what her professional qualifications are for doing psychiatric diagnoses by internet ... or any other way ... or for doing, well, anything else at all.

Heck, *she* considers the school where she got her academic qualifications to practise shoddy science:
http://www.therighter.com/biography/

I have specialty training in emergency medicine and psychiatry, and also have studied and practiced a good deal of alternative medicine. Unfortunately, medicine is no longer an honorable profession due to the combined horrors of HMO's, corrupt state licensing boards, involuntary commitment and medication, and politically correct pseudo-science. I refuse to have any part of any of it, so I retired, and I don't regret it.

Will I be forgiven if images of web-footed avians making funny noises promenade through my brain?

QUACK, QUACK.

Spin that. And don't forget to guess what I think of any organization that publishes the ravings of suchlike quacks. There might be a prize for the most colourfully worded guess.

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I watched some shrink show on telly.

Now I've written a paper illustrating why women, blacks and Jews don't get top jobs. It's because they are afraid of success. Pretty much they've all got massive chips on their shoulder and for some reason can't get over being disenfranchised, enslaved and industrially murdered, in the main by white men.

I'm not racist I'm just telling it how it is.

I love pseudo academia. Since when have psychiatrists been adequately qualified to comment on sociological phenomena? I'm considering asking my dentist to pick out a new car for me. I mean dentistry, mechanics, it's all the same innit?

to review your own papers and gush on internet forums about what a top-notch scientist you are.

It worked for Mary Rosh/John Lott.

Youse guys are a gas!

I'm hearing the sounds of silence so far on the question of Dr. What's 'er name's "expertise" ... but maybe one of her "students" will show up ...

Dear Spentastic, Benchley and Iverglass

Please note my mommy colleague is a real good researcher. She is not racist. Some of her best friends are brown and I'm pretty sure the guy at the deli is Jewish. As a M.D it is obvious that she'll accurately diagnose problems with society much like she'd diagnose problems with her patients. She writes abouts lots of things it's amazing how she keeps up her level of output with a minimum of time taken up doing research. She also skips the peer review bit. Other academics are jealous of her.

At this point I must also point out of course that some studies have indisputably proved that doctors are in fact more dangerous than guns. My idea is to send all American doctors to Iraq.

I think you need to see past the trees and smell the coffee. It's no good allowing women and blacks and Jews a say in policy making. In my experience they are all hysterical. Admittedly that might be because mommy my colleague refuses to see them.

Yours sincerely

 

Dr Sarah Thompson MD jr

<P>Barry Ferguson</P>

Hilarious!

Excellent as it was! I'd expected to see a much greater outpouring of laudatory support for "Dr." Thompson.

I'm just a bit lost though. Even after 4 years of spending my Saturday mornings watching that football (soccer) stuff, not quite voluntarily, I'd never heard of this Barry Ferguson guy -- if that is the Barry Ferguson in question.

I see around the net that his name anagrams to "Grrr! Unsafe yob!" ... but I don't see him actually connected to the various nasty racist things going on around him in the soccer world in the UK. If he is, that would mean that maybe "John Rocker" could be substituted as the signatory, so that a USAmerican audience (and maybe even I) would be more likely to get it?

Somebody tell me what I'm missing here??

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but yeah....John Rocker would seem to fit, based on your description.

You're missing nothing. I couldn't think of an appropriate name so I went for Barry Ferguson, Glasgow Rangers player.

Thinking about it now for comedic value perhaps A Mallard?

I think my mistake comes from not having read much of Mr Lott's work.

Who was this scumbag "defending himself" against? The sleeping kid with the machine gun?

First, you need to read my post "Eh?", and then you'll see why I gotta ask.

Yours is titled "Expert<'>s opinion?"

I just have to say how glad I am you asked, and how pleased I am to answer: NO.

My question is: why would you have asked in the first place?

Why not just do your own 5 minutes of research, the research that would have enabled you to ascertain that this "expert" is NOT a psychiatrist, and is NOT an expert in much of anything, let alone what you quoted her in respect of.

Is it enjoyable making such a laughing stock of one's self?

Quack quack. Who you gonna quote (maybe as an expert in psychiatry) next, Lyndon Larouche?

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(typo edited)

I guess nobody wants to claim this vicious quacking idiot "Dr." Thompson as his/her own after all. That question mark ("Expert<'>s opinion?") sure was serendipitous, wasn't it?

The question was just too easy, though.

Now, what to say about an organization that publishes the vicious quacking, under the completely false designation "psychiatrist".

False designation? Well, I do assume that in order for someone to use the profesional designation "psychiatrist", s/he must actually be accredited to practise psychiatry, and must actually practise, or at the very least have practised, psychiatry. And I don't see any evidence to suggest that this is true in the quack's case.

Misleading and misrepresentation, anyone? Surely not the JFPO.

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Dr. Thompson is not a Dr.? :-)

that I "think Dr. Thompson is not a Dr."?

Edging over the 40-post mark, and already misrepresenting what I said. You'll fit right in. Just in case there wasn't already a spot reserved for you.

Did you try reading what I actually said on the point? The post you responded to really should have been sufficient, but do feel free to read the post entitled "Eh?" and follow the link offered.

I'll make it easy for you. There is no evidence -- on the good Dr.'s own web site:

http://www.therighter.com
Sarah Thompson, M.D., a retired physician and writer

http://www.therighter.com/biography/
I have specialty training in emergency medicine and psychiatry,
and also have studied and practiced a good deal of alternative
medicine.

-- that she has ever been a psychiatrist ("speciality training" does not make one "a psychiatrist"), or practised psychiatry other than of the "diagosis of strangers by internet" variety. That really does seem pretty easy.

Oh, if you're concerned about the quotation marks I placed around the honorific "Dr.", that really was just a bit of personal commentary. She's entitled to use the designation "Dr." because she has an M.D. Since she states that she has "resigned" from the practise of medicine, in rather high dudgeon, one might wonder why she would even want to use the designation. The personal commentary, besides indicating that "Dr." did *not* mean "psychiatrist", related to that "studied and practiced a good deal of alternative medicine" bit. Quack, quack, all round.

But in any event, in terms of relevance to what she was actually saying in that article -- i.e. whether she has any expertise that specially qualifies her to say it and makes her opinion in any way authoritative -- the designation is about as meaningful as it would be if she were a doctor of French literature.

Kinda like if I made a point of adding "B.A., LL.B." behind my name if I wrote an article on the same subject. My B.A. *is* partly in French literature, and while my LL.B. might impress hoi polloi, it, by itself, really doesn't add any weight to my opinion about the sociological and psychological and political phenomena that may be involved in support for or opposition to varying degrees of restriction on access to firearms.

And oh yeah, since I no longer practise law, I would not agree to have an article of mine published identifying me as a "barrister and solicitor". The good Dr. seems not to have any such qualms about being identified by JFPO as a "psychiatrist". And hey, *I* actually *did* practise quite a few years of law.

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The Horror!

Pretty impressive collection though. I wonder how much he's asking for the MP-5?
Not that it matters. Once this turns to be much-ado-about-nothing, the charges will
be dropped but it'll be a cold day in hell before Mr. Tabassi gets his property returned.
Just from looking at the picture, there's at least $40,000 worth of firearms headed for
the blast furnace or as <cough, nudge, wink> souviners.

"it'll be a cold day in hell before Mr. Tabassi gets his property returned."
Let's hope so.

that scares MrBenchley.

Find one trait that someone apparently shares with an obvious wacko and BAM! Instant demonization.

watching birds of a feather flock together...

"an obvious wacko and BAM! Instant demonization."
Gee, you wouldn't guess from the folks leaping to defend their fellow RKBA enthusiast that he was "an obvious wacko". In fact, there was a sustained and hilarious attempt to paint him as a scrupulously ethical life saver.

We even had one "enthusiast" who wanted to be part of this nutcase's family back up the thread.

who did this guy hurt.

dumb enough to care.

you're too smart for the truth. :-)]
I repeat the question: who did this guy hurt.

Well, you and your fellow "enthusaists" have certainly given us an eye-opening illustration of the RKBA crowd in action...

this guy killed less people than Ted Kennedy. :-)

If and ever Benchley sends out an alert, please see post #118.

Nice to see you showing your true colors....nnot that you were fooling anyone.

Laura Bush is a murderer.
So is Ted Kennedy.

How does my opinion of individial politicos reflect upon my opinions and convictions?

"How does my opinion of individial politicos reflect
upon my opinions and convictions?"

One might wonder (if one were prone to wondering) why you inserted Ted Kennedy into the discussion.

But apart from that, it's actually a rather self-answering question, doncha think?

I'd think it rather obvious that one's opinion of individuals tends to have just a little bit to do with those individuals' policy positions and actions. A single example might not suffice, since there may be idiosyncratic reasons for approving or disapproving of particular individuals. But a demonstrated tendency to have high opinions of people with certain policies in common, for instance, might just suggest that one approves of those policies. On the flip side, a low opinion of people with certain other policies in common might just suggest that one disapproves of those policies.

I mean, that seems rather obvious to me ...

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I support welfare programs, public education, and protecting the environment. I oppose the death penalty. I oppose gun control and the drug war, though. I don't care how much Shrub is pro/anti any of those things, he's still an Idiot. Same with Ted, Bill, Laura, Charlton, and a few other idiots.

You will notice nobody else here seems to feel much need to proclaim even once "I am a liberal," yet here is someone who announces it in every other post...while spouting decididly illiberal opinions and slurs twixt those declarations.

What was it Shakespeare had to say about those who "doth protest too much?"

What "illiberal" opinion can you attribute to me?

I'll come right out and say it -- I posted on this board for a short time under the pen-name of "bushwah". It was one I'd picked for a completely different purpose somewhere else, and it just fit in here nicely, I thought.

Then after a week or two, as I recall, I decided it was just too generic on this board, as well as suggesting a focus I don't really have (on US presidential politics). So I changed to my current name. And for a while, my sig line was "the poster formerly known as bushwah".

Anybody wanting to familiarize him/herself with my opinion about anything at all can search the past year for the things I've said in that time.

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Anything you'd like to tell us that might help us identify any opinions, "illiberal" or otherwise, that might accurately be attributed to you?

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Oh, and if a character has said something, it's really fairly reasonable to attribute what was said to the author who created the character, absent any evidence that the author was using the character to say something s/he disagreed with.

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Here's one thing: I believe most of the money currently spent on the WoD and TWAT would be better spent on education.

and she was right on the money.

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why doncha?

Someone without actual brain cells might be fooled into thinking your claims of being a liberal were true...

someone who agrees with you. Sorry.

Why don't you go on up to General Discussion and propose a medal for this ugly thug in Maryland?