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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:26 AM
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Phoenix-area gun store, ATF sting may be linked to border shootout
Phoenix-area gun store, ATF sting may be linked to border shootout

Senator links gun buy to border agent's death


by Dennis Wagner - Feb. 1, 2011 12:00 AM

The Arizona Republic


Bandits who gunned down a U.S. Border Patrol agent during a December firefight near Nogales may have been armed with assault rifles purchased from a Valley gun store in conjunction with a federal sting operation and subsequently smuggled into Mexico, according to a key member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.

In letters to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, suggests that negligence by federal agents who failed to keep the firearms out of Mexico may have played a part in the slaying of Agent Brian Terry, a member of the Border Patrol's elite tactical unit known as BORTAC.

Grassley said he had information that the AK-47s recovered at the shooting scene were traced to Project Gunrunner, an ATF program designed to stem the illegal flow of U.S. guns to Mexican narcotics cartels. It is not unusual for law-enforcement agents to allow illegal transactions to occur so that they can follow contraband, identifying ringleaders and key players in organized-crime organizations.


"Members of the Judiciary Committee have received numerous allegations that the ATF sanctioned the sale of hundreds of assault weapons to suspected straw purchasers, who then allegedly transported these weapons throughout the southwestern border area and into Mexico," the senator wrote in a letter Thursday to acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson.

"According to the allegations, one of these individuals purchased three assault rifles with cash in Glendale, Arizona, on January 16, 2010. Two of the weapons were then allegedly used in a firefight on December 14, 2010, against Customs and Border Protection agents, killing CBP Agent Brian Terry."

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/02/01/20110201phoenix-gun-store-atf-sting-border-shootout.html



Senator examines gun claim in border shootout


By JACQUES BILLEAUD
Associated Press
PHOENIX -- A U.S. senator is examining a claim that two guns sold in purchases sanctioned by federal firearms agents were later used in a December shootout that left a Border Patrol agent dead near the Arizona-Mexico border.

Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa said in a letter provided Monday to The Associated Press he had received information that appears to partially corroborate the claim received by members of the Senate Judiciary Committee about the guns.

"Members of the Judiciary Committee have received numerous allegations that the ATF sanctioned the sale of hundreds of assault weapons to suspected straw buyers, who then allegedly transported these weapons throughout the Southwest border area and into Mexico," reads a letter sent Thursday from Grassley to Kenneth Melson, acting director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives


In the follow-up letter to Melson, Grassley said an ATF manager in Phoenix questioned an agent who answered questions posed by Grassley staffers about the agency's initiative to reduce the flow of firearms to Mexico.

The manager accused the agent of misconduct for his contacts with the judiciary committee, Grassley said.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/31/2044011/senator-examines-gun-claim-in.html


Uh oh.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 09:15 AM
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1. Strategic Tension?
Is there a hidden agenda here or are we just witnessing a royal fuck-up?
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 09:17 AM
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2. Hanlon's Razor would suggest the latter
Hanlon's Razor being "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:22 AM
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4. Like my sig?
I'm still suspicious.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:22 AM
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8. Yes, exactly like... your... sig...
Maybe I need to clean my glasses, or something.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:27 AM
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9. Subliminal, that one. :)
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 09:20 AM
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3. Thats the thousand dollar question, isn't it.
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 09:25 AM by beevul
My insider, a former ATF agent, says malice.

Also, some of the agents at www.cleanupatf.org are saying the same thing.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:21 PM
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10. I think we are seeing a little of both.
The ATF has not been unknown to stage big events, complete with inviting TV news crews, with the goal of a visible display their relevancy. The ATF bungled a public-relations stunt in the form of an aggressive raid of the Davidian home, which had been practiced on life-size model buildings.

Koresh could have easily been arrested without all this fanfare and violence – he was an integrated member of the town, and law enforcement had visited the Davidian home and even fired weapons with him at their shooting range – but the ATF had made sure the press would be there to witness their chivalrous swooping in and capture of this menace of Mt. Carmel. Tables full of siezed alleged "assault weapons, the Administration could proudly display endlessly on cable news.

Meth lab! Weapons stockpiles! Child molesters! The excuses for this federal militarism in the heart of Texas were numerous and shifting. But when it was all done, the compound had been utterly destroyed by the U.S. government.


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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:22 AM
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5. Kick, for the day crew.
Off to bed.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:00 AM
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6. I've been following this for a while now.
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 11:01 AM by Hoopla Phil
This has been building for a while with ATF agents refusing to come forward until they could be guaranteed witness protection from congress directly. They don't trust their own people it seems.

edit for spelling.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:09 AM
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7. If I were in the Border Patrol, I'd be arresting all the ATF agents I could find right now.
An delivering them, naked and hog-tied, to the local FBI office.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:00 PM
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11. So the AFT is providing firearms to the Mexican drug cartels ...
in order to blame mom and pop gun stores for arming the drug games and to push for another assault weapons ban.

Sounds like a major SNAFU to me.

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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 09:13 PM
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12. The plot thickens.
This is an open message to Senator Grassley and all members of Congress...

After an ATF Agent was retaliated against by ASAC Gillett in Phoenix for speaking with your staff, your letter to Ken Melson put ATF on notice:

"This is exactly the wrong sort of reaction for the ATF. Rather than focusing on retaliating against whistleblowers, the ATF's role sole focus should be on finding the disclosing the truth as soon as possible."

With all due respect to you and with appreciation for your present interest and efforts in Arizona, this type of behavior is routine, historical, accepted by ATF management and routinely defended by ATF counsel, especially with ASAC Gillett but, also throughout ATF management.

ATF's leadership could not care less about Senator Grassley, Congressional inquiries, the No Fear Act, Victim-Witness laws, truth, honesty, integrity or anything that gets in their way of intimidating their workforce. I apologize for the harshness of my tone, but you've had just a small exposure to ATF management's repressive, retaliatory character. Unfortunately, it is a way of life for us.

If you expect ATF to now "find and disclose the truth" based on your censure, it is simply not in the professional nature of the individuals involved, ATF leadership as a whole, and most definitely not anything close to a priority for ATF's attorneys. THEY DO NOT CARE!

When your staff investigates the Phoenix allegations they will be met with answers packed with hollow mitigation and a series of, "I don't know", "I don't recall", and, "I thought that someone else was on top of that" answers. Expect it. This is a stone cold lock guarantee because none of the people involved have ever been held accountable for any of their countless bad acts. They have always won out by deflecting responsibility and lying. This is fact and provable on dozens if not hundreds of occasions. ATF management has stuck their collective heads in the sand and allowed these people to remain in place and continue to do additional and more comprehensive damage.

If you are not directly and personally insulted by ATF attempting to sneak Bill Newell in as the Mexico Attache' under the wire, and in the face of your inquiry, then you have missed the point. That is what they do. The theme on ATF's 5th floor is that it is harder to get him removed once he is in place. ATF has mocked your interest in Newell's mismanagement. They have ignored numerous examples of his failures and turned a blind eye to his bad acts. He is completely unable to effectively run a field division. So what does ATF do? They give him an entire country!

Newell and Gillett are profoundly inept, but ATF management will back them to the end of the Earth. Expect that too.

http://cleanupatf.org/forums/index.php?/topic/153-phoenix-division/

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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:09 PM
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13. More media outlets are picking it up now, though some seem to be avoiding it like the plague..
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