Infringed: Rights shall not be

Can anyone describe the way the right to keep and bear arms is being infringed? Thanks.

but people seem to think the gobment wants to take their guns away. BTW did Yoda write your title? :rofl:

Imagine wanting to start a newpaper only to have the local government slow-walk business license because it disapproves the editorial slant. Imagine having to register every editorial published or being required to pay excessive taxes beyond comparable acts of free commerce.

And even if there were no current infringements that in no way implies current efforts to infringe do not exist. What the OP seems to suggest is, "There are no infringements so efforts to infringe should be ignored."

I am asking for the ways that you feel your rights are being infringed when it comes to guns as stated in the constitution.

There is no reason to attack me, y'know. Believe it or not, I am for rights being protected.

I've been told I have a newfound "zeal."

I've lived in four Shall Issue states: Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Washington.

Washington and Pennsylvania were fine, although Dauphin County, PA did seem to wait the max number of days under law before they would issue.

Miami Dade County, Florida was pretty bad. Had to make an appointment to get my prints rolled, and it took about 6 weeks just to get an appointment. Showed up about 15 minutes early for the appointment, and they made me wait about 45 minutes PAST the time before they took my Driver's License, and kept it, to run a records check on me. After about an hour, they gave me back my License, and said keep waiting. Another 30 minutes later, they took my prints. Customer Service at the Miami Dade Police Department was sorely lacking.

Alamance County, North Carolina was the worst. Had to take North Carolina specific training, and it was a sad joke. Took about 3 months before I could get into a class. Got my certificate and went over to apply. I think the window of opportunity for me to apply, in Alamance County, was Tuesdays between about 10 AM and 12 Noon. Filled out the form, paid, and waited about 30-40 minutes. They then took me into the jail, through the double secured doors, to get my prints rolled. I found it strange that they never patted me down, and I could have smuggled a weapon into the jail.

I had my prints rolled at the Pinellas Sheriffs office in Clearwater Florida. The wait time was minimal and I don't remember any records check being run at the Sheriffs office at all. Of course, the that was many years ago as I have renewed my license at least 2 concealed times.

I didn't have to get my fingerprints taken for the renewal. I have never had to take a concealed weapons training course as I was in the military and got my firearms training there.

In my county the instant check system allowed me to go in and out with my permit in my hands in ten minutes.

The law states they must provide a permit in 45 days, not business days. Weekends count. Some counties take a full 45 business days to get you your license. They drag it out as long as they can just because. They also charge more than the law permits. But they are the law so that doesnt matter does it?

It is still essentially impossible to legally own a handgun in your own home, and police (illegally) confiscate long guns if they're found in a home.

That's why there are no guns in the District :sarcasm:

As far as it being a national problem? Probably not. But in certain areas, the right is regularly and severely infringed. Sadly, these are often areas where people have a rather legitimate need for a gun for self-defense.

There is at least anecdotal evidence of racial and class bias in the issuing of the permits. I don't have any data for that; I'm also not sure if there is a right to the concealed bearing of arms. This will probably be the only time I ever quote Clarence Thomas approvingly, but his concurrence in DC vs. Heller was a very powerful recounting of the historical and continued use of gun control to disarm African Americans. The movement of southern states from "may issue" to "shall issue", while it caused a lot of hand-wringing in the north, is probably best seen as the South finally overcoming that vestige of Jim Crow.

EDIT: to clarify, as I understand case law there is currently definitely not a legally recognized right to concealed carry; I was just saying I'm not sure if I would consider it morally a right. This gets muddy in places like MA where the right to own a handgun is at least in practice tied to the right to concealed carry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090103836.html?sid=ST2009090103944



The cost of the gun? $275.

If someone can't afford the $550 on top of the cost of a gun? So sad, too bad. If you can't take off work during business hours for the four trips to the police department? Aww, poor baby.

The system was designed for a time when the chief law enforcement officer was likely to know every citizen personally. We're not in Mayberry any more.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/statistics.php

Less than 41K licenses in a state of 37M people.

Compare to Washington with about 250K licenses in a state of 6.7M people.

SKS type rifles in California. There was also an incident in Cali where a guy was arrested charged and convicted and served a year in jail for having an SKS rifle after the ban. Problem was, it was an antique rifle that was specifically exempted from the ban. He did eventually get out, and cleared.

...one were to comb through the 22,000+ federal, state and local laws pertaining to firearms a few examples could be found.

And I'm not talking about a 30 minute background check. I'm talking about wait periods, gun registration schemes, and when a permit or lisence is needed just to own a gun are all ways to delay or intimidate people from owning guns. Any fees associated with purchasing a firearm above the natural cost of the gun and ammo itself including taxes, fees charged to get a permit or lisence or fees when registering a firearm are gross violations of our rights. Any form of gun control that costs money needs to be covered by the government and not those who chose to buy the guns, if they are not willing to foot the bill for a gun control law then the law should not exist.

This is the same for all rights including religion and speech.

Also, the fact that I have to pay an unusally large fee to own/use some number of acessories or firearms seem like infringement.

That's outright infringement of the right to bear arms. Apart from that we have to pay for a card that allows us to own guns & ammunition -- small infringement. We are not allowed to own any NFA item -- more infringement.

that our state recognizes allows people from around the country to carry here in Pa. Its state law. Philadelphia ignores that law and is trying to pass its own law saying out of state permits arent good in Philly. We also have a law stating that nobody but the state itself can pass firearms laws within Pa, but again, Philly doesnt care.

Also the state police here were enforcing for a short time a de facto registry of rifles and shotguns with a pistol grip, also openly violating state law. They made you fill out a pistol form for the rifle or shotgun, or made the gun dealers make you, or refuse the sale. We got them to drop that, but many were forced to go through the hoops anyway for that time period.

My local county park had a no firearms sign. They cant deny my right to carry for the same reason Philly cant deny Florida or Utah permits, and Ive gone to council meetings to point it out but they blew me off. I guess I will just have to be seen carrying there this spring!

Chicago gun ban, Detroit, DC, california permit farce, california open carry battle, New York 10 round mag limit

Let's define infringement:

in·fringe·ment (ĭn-frĭnjˈmənt)
noun
1.A violation, as of a law, regulation, or agreement; a breach.
2.An encroachment, as of a right or privilege. See Synonyms at breach.
Source: http://www.yourdictionary.com/infringement

Gun bans interfere with my "right to keep and bear" if I can not lawfully buy, own, or use, arms.

Gun bans, enacted on the whole of the people by legislature to take their guns away or outlaw their purchase or transfer: these are infringements because you should have to be convicted in a court of law, after receiving a jury trial, before society can take your rights away. That is the correct, fair, and constitutional way to take away a person's rights.

Just because a legislature 'doesn't like' one of your rights, they still have no justification for infringement of that right.