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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 07:06 PM
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Prime example of what the second amendment is for
So after watching what appeared to be a peaceful revolution in Tunisia and Egypt (though the full outcomes remain to be seen), I began to wonder if perhaps the open public eye of public opinion would render citizen oppression, and thus the need for armed rebellion, obsolete.

And then I saw this video of people being gunned down by the Bahrain army:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwnUQcKXmMM&skipcontrinter=1

This, right here, is what the second amendment is for.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 07:08 PM
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1. weak...
...analogy or whatever you think you just wrote. Just plain weak.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 07:09 PM
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2. You know, I've never been a gun type person, but I was thinking a lot of
"what ifs" when I watched similar earlier.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 07:10 PM
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3. I saw the same thing at Kent State many years ago - the state militia shot the kids
Perhaps you should read the 2A again

yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 10:50 PM
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12. ROFL.
"the state militia shot the kids"


The national guard did that, not the "state militia".


But you knew that.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:16 AM
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28. National Guard = armed state militia - at the governor's beck and call to quell "unrest"
In this case gunning down innocent unarmed students

yup
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YllwFvr Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:12 AM
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41. national guard = federalized
meaning run by the government

yup
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Spoonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:21 PM
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44. Your comment = total lack of education
Try doing just a little research on the subject matter.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 06:39 PM
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46. I'm amazed at the degree to which you don't know what you are talking about.
Tell me, does the 'national guard' draw it's pay from the various states, or the department of defense.

(Hint: they draw their pay and orders from a large 5 sided building.)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 07:10 PM
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4. For eight years an un-elected dictator ruled all, now union-hating teabaggers are ruling.
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 07:12 PM by onehandle
Feel free to start your 'armed rebellion' at any time.

Oh, good luck against these...
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 08:16 PM
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5. Since the Assault Weapons Ban was scurrilously repealed
Civillians can shoot those down pretty easy .
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 09:47 PM
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8. Riiight.
That's why terrorists have been shooting down aircraft with their assault rifles.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:30 PM
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14. Apparently you haven't got the memo
According to the Bradies I can shoot one of those down w/ a Barret .50
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:20 PM
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45. Lots of memo missing today it would appear
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 09:45 PM
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7. Afghans have done pretty well against them for the last 9 years.
and Iraqis have done pretty well against them for the last 7.

But that is neither here nor there.

We are talking about a few troops manning a road block in Bahrain, mowing down protesters. A few scoped hunting rifles and that road block would have been history.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 09:57 PM
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11. Good luck against this, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9p6GQ7S51A

Peaceful protesters mowed down by army troops.

What the fuck are they supposed to use against that? Harsh language? Fuck that noise. Put a rifle in those people's hands. Crush that kind of totalitarian injustice with the fist of an armed free people.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:56 AM
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25. Unpossible. Didn't you get the memo?
:sarcasm: Just in case it wasn't obvious....
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 03:07 AM
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24. Do you know how many of those there are?
The number of all the operational AC-130s in the world?

Twenty-one.

That's it.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:31 PM
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33. You don't need all that many of them
To put a serious whoopin' on some one
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:07 AM
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40. Oh, sure, no denying that
It's just that there aren't enough of them to suppress a widespread revolt; at least, not in a country the size of the United States. They may ruin some poor bastard's day in a very permanent way, but AC-130s didn't shut down the Ho Chi Minh Trail, and they haven't wiped out the Taliban.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:27 AM
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:46 PM
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37. WTF
Really
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YllwFvr Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:15 AM
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42. and bombs and nukes right?
oh wait.... cant use those, they tend to blow non targets to hell too. Not very useful here in the us. Helos, tanks, and artillery would be far more common, the "big guns", not so useful
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 08:45 PM
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6. Here is the other side of the story
http://theweek.com/article/index/201338/who-are-the-hutaree

. What is a Hutaree?
The group's website describes a Hutaree as a "Christian warrior." It goes on: "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All Christians must know this and prepare... The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield is so God wills it "
2. Why did the FBI initiate raids?
According to the indictment, the Hutaree are accused of devising a complicated plot to: 1) Kill a police officer in Michigan; 2) Exploit the subsequent funeral as an opportunity to attack other officers with IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices); 3) Retreat to "rally points" after the proposed funeral attack, and then — protected by trip-wired bombs — engage law enforcement officials in "violent standoffs."
3.What did the group hope to achieve?
According to the Associated Press, the Hutaree believed this series of attacks would touch off a larger uprising against the U.S. Government. Attorney General Eric Holder has said the Hutaree were "conspiring to levy war against the United States." It's not immediately clear how the "Antichrist" comes into the picture.

Extremist with all kinds of military type weapons, bent on making this a crazy religious country at the end of a barrel. Unintended consequences of what you wish for.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 09:47 PM
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9. That's OK by me
I'm not going to allow my rights to be constrained by the actions of criminals.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 09:57 PM
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10. "military type weapons"....
Which ones would those be?
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:18 PM
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13. A good example from their video
what I'd call military style weapons. What do you call them? Deer rifles.

http://www.youtube.com/user/hutaree
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:33 PM
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15. Remington makes a deer rifle that looks just like that
Except of course the 5 round magazine to make it legal for hunting
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:37 PM
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16. Didn't one in that video have
a drum type magazine, about 9 seconds in? How many does that hold?
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:41 PM
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17. I suppose it would depend on the size of the drum
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 11:42 PM by RSillsbee
Personally I went out of my way to make sure all of my issue magazines were 20 rounders because they were less akward (IMO) than the 30 rounders and made it that much easier to become one w/ the ground when being shot at.

But I have no problem w/ someone laying out the scratch for a 100 round drum if thats what they want

ETA
That said, none of this changes the fact that Remington does ,in deed, make a AR platform deer rifle
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 11:48 PM
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18. I'll bet my old bolt action, 3 shot 30.06
does the job on deer just as well, if not better. All of the old farts in my deer camp would laugh their asses off at one of those in the woods.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:00 AM
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19. Hey everybody!
We have a genuine celebrity in our midst, everybody give Jim Zumbo a warm welcome to the gungeon!!

:applause: :applause::applause:

:rofl: :spray:
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:03 AM
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20. Have you ordered my cook book yet?
It's great if you like elk meat.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:06 AM
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21. Yeah I've got it
Love the elk chili recipes. :D
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:51 AM
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27. They were buried under roughly 30,000 recipes for crow
He gathered those all in one weekend .
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:21 AM
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22. Your point being?
I don't care for ARs never have, never will. I like wood. If I were to go deer hunting I would choose a Winchester model 94 30/30.

That said, I you can bring home the deer w/ an AR knock yourself out. It's none of my business.

All of the old farts in my deer camp would laugh their asses off at one of those in the woods.

The opinion of a bunch of Fudds is relevant to me, how?
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:39 AM
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43. If you do not accessorize in the correct fashions
Not only will they chide you , but you will be denied their wit as they regale the other young braves with further tales of ribaldry and daring do .
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:06 AM
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31. Yeah, and my old model T Ford is fine as basic transportation, too.
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 11:06 AM by PavePusher
Thankfully, technology is not static, neither is fashion, utility or history.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:54 PM
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And yet the brass era cars can be so tantalizing
The danger perhaps ?

Health and safety can suck it .
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:27 AM
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30. Read your post and just had to check.
The C-mag with the two offset drums(I call'em boobie mags) allows the gun to rest considerably lower to the ground than a 30-rounder. It protrudes just an inch and a half or so vertically from the mag well, so with the pistol grip, it doesn't even come into play. It some positions the drums can get in the way of your forward arm, but if you have a full-length barrel, it's not a big hassle. The weight, however...
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:35 AM
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23. Explain to me how the death of over 300 people from the protests in Egypt were nonviolent or
Peaceful.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:58 AM
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26. Lets compare our revolution in 1776
before MLK and Gandhi.
Population of the US at that time 2.5 million. number of people killed in that revolution, 25,000.


Population of Egypt in 2011, 77 million. number of deaths in revolution, 300.


You do the math.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:35 PM
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34. What makes you think the revolution is over? NT
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:04 PM
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39. Which one?
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 03:43 PM
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35. The nature of war today includes the acceptability of fewer casualties
People are not willing to die in large percentages for a cause today.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:24 PM
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36. If so, we don't need armed folks walking around in public. Keep em at home until the revolution.
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