Name a country whose gun laws would be acceptable to you (other than the USA)

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I like the fact that in England you can buy a silencer at a hardware store without any paperwork or a $200.00 tax.

I also like the Swiss idea of militia (much like our founders intended) where you have a true assault rifle (select fire) issued to you by the government that you keep at home.

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How would you like to have to pay a 30% tax and get government permission to get a car muffler?

Wouldn't you prefer your local shooting range to be quieter? Do you want to pay higher insurance rates for people who's hearing is damaged while shooting (possible even with multiple layers of hearing protection)?

One time exposure will cause damage and permanent hearing loss

They are not "silencers" they are "suppressors." You still know a gun went off, and in pretty much any caliber but .22LR, it is still quite loud, just not loud enough to cause permanent hearing damage.

And you obviously don't understand firearms or how loud they are.

You may not like my answer but it is an answer. So why is it you post a question and then insult someone for answering? That speaks volumes. . . .

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Try buying one of those legally in the U.K.

although the process is expensive and cumbersome.

It's easier, I guess, to criticize rather than read.

When they passed the handgun ban, thanks to registration, they knew each and every loyal subject of the Crown who needed to turn a gun and how many. Twenty years on the Home Office was still negotiating with the IRA to decommission its heavy weapons; stuff like mortars, rocket launchers and belt fed machineguns. So excepting the IRA, just about the only people who can lawfully own a hand gun are vets to use for despatching animals and the police like this clown.

Army cadets have been banned from carrying rifles on a Remembrance Day parade amid fears the deactivated drill weapons might "upset" onlookers...Meanwhile, other headlines read Police give up the fight as yobs take over. As Sir Denis O'Connor, the Chief Inspector of Constabulary, says the rowdy and abusive behaviour of yobs is a "disease" within communities that has been allowed to "fester" because police have retreated from the streets in the past two decades.

The fact of the matter is gun crime in the UK is overwhelmingly committed by young black men. Scotland Yard has a dedicated team that works on gun crime involving this particular ethnic group

Sometimes reality bites you on the arse in spite of it all. The Baikal is in daily use in the gun-crime hotspots of London, Manchester, Birmingham and Liverpool - protecting drug deals, coercing kidnap victims, threatening and taking life, facilitating robbery, enforcing protection and extortion. Such was the scale of the resulting illegal gun trade that the Lithuanian police joke that their criminals joined the European Union long before the rest of the country.

Once its out there, its out there
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Better to keep it well regulated but very accessible

We tolerate guns because our society is perverted and inconsistent.

But the evidence is solid - more guns, CCWs, and lawful gun owners do make society safer.

Reason beats emotion

How has kiddie porn ever been used to save lives or stop crime?

Where does the Constitution say anything about the right to sexually exploit kids?

Your analogy = FAIL.

The point is, the full weight of public policy can be brought to bear on a thing deemed dangerous in and of itself.

How many kids have guns and ammo killed?

Are guns and ammo at least as dangerous to kids as being victimized by porn?

I'd say using a child in the production of pornography is far more damaging to a child than the very rare chance of one being shot by a gun.

The reason mere possession of kiddie porn is illegal is because it creates demand for more production, and thus more kids being irreparably harmed.

While you are partially right in that it is at least theoretically possible to make guns as scarce as kiddie porn, it would have many unintended consequences. First, you'd have to rape the Bill of Rights, and repeal the 2nd Amendment. (That would set a precedent that would very likely jeopardize the rest of the Bill of Rights.) Second, you'd have the problem of only law-abiding citizens turning their guns in. Criminals would have a field day picking on unarmed victims for DECADES to come before the police could slowly find and take all those illegal guns off the street. Thirdly, the government would have no healthy fear of its subjects, and we'd likely see a plethora of authoritarian laws come into play, if not the end of democracy altogether.

Are you sure that is a policy you really want to pursue?

Also consider the stats: more CCWs means lower crime. Period.

child porn be used for self defense?

That thing is really starting to stink, if you're going to keep dragging a red herring in with you, at least get a fresh one. :crazy:

They did it with firearms. Duh.

There is no redeeming value to be found in child pornography.

But there is a redeeming value in firearms. Firearms allow good people to stand up to bad people with a higher chance of success. Firearms can and are used by the vast majority of the people who own them - over 97% - for good, lawful purposes. Only a few - less than 2% - misuse firearms.

We tolerate guns in our society not because we are perverted and inconsistent. We tolerate guns because we realize that it's not right to punish the innocent majority for the crimes of the guilty few.

It is your view - that we should disarm everyone because of the actions of a few - that is perverted. It is your view - that everyone who is assaulted should be forced to flee or resort to a physical contest of strength - that is perverted.

...hold on here...what is going on...just a second now...

97% of guns are used for lawful purposes
2% are misued That don't add up!

WHAT THE HECK is that other 1% doing?

gun owners.

As for the missing 0.X%? Statistical error, or they're just sitting around drinking lemonade.

...misbehaving. I've read the headlines:
"Man shot by high capacity pistol" or "crowd injured by assault weapon"

One possibility is that they are them...

Even if somebody from America moved to a foreign country that had gun laws they liked (say, New Zealand), being a resident alien in that country would probably make it illegal to buy one anyway.

You're welcome .

not Britain's silencer law and Somalia's enforcement and Switzerland's mandatory provision, etc. etc.

i'm asking for a country whose overall laws would be acceptable to you overall (if not perfect, but generally speaking).

especially the laws regarding handguns and automatic weapons. With the exception of Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Certainly any country in the EU. Penalties are very high in most of Europe for carrying a gun in public. Problem is a lot of those countries are exporters. As long as Americans keep buying they'll keep manufacturing and exporting. Kinda like drugs. We sure are a nation of consumers.
And regarding the 2nd Amendment, well it's an amendment and it's pretty fucking outdated. So maybe it's time to amend it.
Remember, paper never refuses ink.

What is the problem you refer to, with the laws regarding automatic weapons?

"Just about any country's gun laws would be more acceptable especially the laws regarding handguns and automatic weapons."

What problems do we have with automatic weapons, beside that they are over-regulated and thus far too expensive for the average lawful Citizen?

Of course, eradication would be better. Then nobody would need one.

Canada before 1977. What is your obsession with machine guns?

You have seen that map of the expansion of shall-issue since 1986. The country is becoming more gun friendly. Any amendment can be blocked by any 13 states that refuse to ratify. Finding 13 pro-gun states would be easy.

The second amendment went into the trash bin in 1934, and more refuse got piled on in 1968 and 1986. I don't know of a country on the planet whose gun laws I would classify as acceptable.

"We have not even begun upon the path. Ed Gruberman, you must learn patience."
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, patience, how long will that take?"

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Sorry, I couldn't resist.

so it was an appropriate observation.

24 hours later and there are more responses but few that name a single country.

I would be happy to have the same laws that there were when I got here.

Plenty of guns available there, but they are all registered, firearms owners must pass sanity requirements, and handguns are highly restricted. Canada has the same violent crime level as the US, except that their homicide rate is remarkable lower, because of the lack of handgun deaths.

ETA I figure any place where I can buy a full auto AK at a flea market can't be all bad

Nice.

Generally speaking, folks with an authoritarian bent can find some set of rules under which they would like to live. This makes sense given the dominant ideology of humanity. We love to talk about ideologies and -isms like they matter, but when you get to the core of it human history has been pretty much dominated by one, authoritarianism. People want to control other people, weather it is for personal gain/aggrandizement, or because "it's for your own good" or whatever reason, doesn't matter. It's always the same, the only thing that changes is what people want to control about the lives of others.

For those of us with a penchant for personal liberty, asking which master I want to whip me is a disgusting question on principle.

I can't think of another country I'd rather call home. It's more than just gun laws.

I have a buddy who emailed me this morning from a location in the Middle East. They're locking down and getting ready for a Day of Rage coming their way. Since he's a civilian he's pretty much just buying the ticket and taking the ride. Talking to him reminds me how much I love my country and the freedoms so many of us are willing to toss in the trash in the name of ideological purity.

:patriot:

I also wouldn't trade property rights rights with any other, religious freedom rights, assembly rights, speech rights, ect.

Isn't it about time you answered your own question for us?

It's a bit more stringent than most of the U.S. (barring certain north-eastern states), with licenses and registration required, but self-defense is a legitimate reason to acquire a license, and the sport shooting (type B) and self-defense (type E) licenses permit concealed carry. They're a bit difficult about hollow-point ammunition (category A, "restricted," along with selective fire weapons and suppressors), but oh well.

It's not just the laws themselves, though; it's also the general attitude. Unlike in the United States, licensing and registration isn't some attempt to get a de facto firearms ban through the back door. Czech gun laws are a deliberate departure from the gun laws of the communist era, and both the governmental and social attitude is that gun bans don't serve public safety because criminals will acquire guns by other means if they want them.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

as far as what the average citizen can legally own (I'm talking privately owned semiautos here, not government owned automatic weapons stored in private homes, which is a separate issue), but there is no carry licensure.

Canada wasn't too bad until the 1990's, but now it is gun-owner heck. Ditto for Australia, except it's gun-owner hell.

But then again, I also wouldn't want the UK's equivalent of the first amendment, or Japan's lack of an analog to our fifth amendment, etc.

So I'll just stay here in the US which is nice, and doesn't... like foreigners...

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Can't find another country that has the right to keep and bear arms as an enumerated right in their Constitution, so the answer is none.

But include the recent incorporation and apply the right equally to blacks.