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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:52 PM Original message |
Iowa Bill Could Compel Gun Carriers to Take Breathalyzer or Lose Permit |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. That law would facilitate racial profiling |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Well, they don't need this law to do that (nt) |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. New law mandates random rectal examines for anyone suspected of owning a firearm at some point |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. Good, makes sense. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm having a hard time seeing the downside to this. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I'm with you. Much like with a vehicle, we don't need buzzed or drunk |
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Frustratedlady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I agree. I was happy to see that subject line. n/t |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. I have no problem with this. n/t |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. Not seeing a downside |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. I can answer it for you now |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. Seems equivalent to the driving laws. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I believe in most states that have a CCW permit, it is illegal and you |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. It's illegal to carry under the influence in most states. |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. It's not illegal in WA state nt |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Actually now that I think about it, I think it was WA and not OR. |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. np. I'm very pro RKBA but I would have no problem with a law |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. I'm not so sure |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I can tell you that I have seen zero examples of any such prosecution |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. Sounds reasonable to me. N/T |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm rather surprised that they can't already do that, actually. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Can't they breathalyze someone if they suspect him of public intox? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. They can in most places I know of, but Iowa may have stricter laws. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Actually no; it's only possible on drivers because licensing is required |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So how do they arrest someone for public intoxication? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Do you have difficulty telling when someone is drunk? |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. What about buzzed? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Public Intoxication is rarely prosecuted |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
59. I guess I do need some help with that... |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Not all states even HAVE public intoxication laws fwiw |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Admissable but not dispositive |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Correct |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. That's not the issue |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. The issue isn't whether they can ask you do to a sobriety test |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. That sounds reasonable (nt) |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
20. New law mandates police perform breathalyzer |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
22. I don't see a problem here... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
23. I'm okay with "implied consent"; not so much with breathalyzers specifically |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 05:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Breathalyzers are pheonomenally reliable |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. The term "breathalyzer" gets used to include hand-held "field testing devices" |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. I am in your "neighborhood" then |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
27. Good - responsible gun owners will leave them home locked up when they drink |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
28. I assume some states have different limits? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I think 0.08% is pretty much standard. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
29. gun owner here |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
39. I have no problem with this |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
41. Depending on how it's written, I don't see it as problem... |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
42. I like it! |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. is there a state that already does this? |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
49. But.... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. It does seem rather odd.. good catch. n/t |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The officer will stop you if you appear to be intoxicated in public. |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I suppose that could happen like that |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Iowa has a public intoxication law. |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I'm curious then.... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I'm not sure. It's up to the LEO, I guess: |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. That gives the LEO an awful lot of leeway... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Indeed it does. |
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NHRAhotrodder (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
54. I see no downside to this |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
57. Conflicted |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-11 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
61. I wonder what the BAC limit or is there one |
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