Florida proposal to allow guns on college campuses draws opposition locally POLL

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/mar/06/guns-campus-florida-universities-college-state-law/

On college campuses where the most dangerous weapons allowed are pocket knives and pepper spray, concealed firearms soon could be legal.

For the 2011 legislative session, state Sen. Greg Evers, R-moran-Crestview, filed a wide-ranging bill that would loosen many of the state’s restrictions on when, where and how people can carry guns, including allowing firearms on college and university campuses.

The legislation, which has won favor among gun rights activists and hunting enthusiasts, is eyed warily by many local higher education officials, and with outright concern by the people responsible for campus safety.

“As far as justifying having students, faculty and staff carry guns on campus and in the classroom, it’s a nightmarish managerial problem,” said Tom Minick, director of security at Ave Maria University in Collier County. “It’s one of those things where, obviously, there is emotion and concern; but traditionally, inherently, college campuses are a very safe place.”

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Why do republics hate higher education and public safety?

:shrug:

And do not believe in sharing consolidations but creating them.

:rofl:

really

:rofl:

Check out grid D11.

http://www.uconn.edu/pdf/wholemap.pdf


FYI, I watched them build it. I lived in North Campus for two years.

There's still time to self-delete your post if you want to avoid looking like a complete jackalope.

That crow, would it be better with ketchup?

Mine little university had 3 (one was underground), my wifes had 1, OSU probably has like 10...

What's so questionable?

Most every campus I've been on has had several parking garages.

Or do you suppose college kids aren't allowed to drive either?

I loathe this "but colleges are different" meme that somehow magically they are places of only goodness and light where eager fresh faced young students are carefully guided by the wisdom of the sagacious professors all aglow with the knowledge of the universe. Guns would magically taint this sacred place. Like they do here in WA state.

They are not NRA/GOP social laboratories

nope

The Way of the Gun will determine scientific consensus? That Creationism will be taught in the classroom instead of Evolution because the Creationists pack more heat? That Grand Unification Theory will be decided by magazine capacity?

Or that grades will be issued depending on how many times the students threaten a teacher with a gun?



Is an apartment less likely to be broken in to because it's on a college campus? Is a parking lot or parking garage at 11pm safer because it's at night?

It's a magical place where there are no criminals, no bad people, no evil intents. No rapes, robberies, assaults or attacks of any kind EVER occur in these magical, divinely protected institutions of higher enlightenment. Therefore, no one would EVER have the need to defend oneself on or near a college campus, anywhere, at any time.

Is that truly what you believe, in your fantasy world?

and the last shooting incident I can recall on campus... there was a campus employee (they are prohibited by policy from carrying) on campus. She had a DV protective order against her ex. Hint: anybody who is the subject of a DV protective order is prohibited from carrying/possessing by law. It's a felony - see VUFA. This ex walked on to campus with his (illegally possessed ) gun, walked into her building and shot her at her desk.

The magical gun-free zone didn't work. Not that they EVER have.

where they can rack up a high score before armed people finally arrive to stop their insanity.

where basic liberties do not apply.

When this happened I have no idea, but apparently it did.

I wonder when they'll start with the legalized gambling?

from entering such halls, then a campus gun ban makes sense. Until that time, people with a valid right to carry OFF campus, should have the same right on campus. My state allows it, and we're doing just fine, thanks for asking.

they suck

yup

Look at Evergreen State College, arguably one of the most liberal, if not the most liberal public college in the country. The home of Rachel Corrie, I might add.

:rofl:

Student Code of Conduct be buggered (it's in blatant contravention of the state constitution anyway). And it's not just Republicans (there are some at TESC) who carry. I was on the college police review board when I was there, a few years back, and I knew that our ten-man campus police force had four vacancies it was having a hard time filling; the upshot of that was that you'd be lucky if at any given moment there were more than two campus cops on duty, and even then, one of them might be manning a speed trap on the Evergreen Parkway.

Evergreen is an institution the state's Republicans love to hate, and in the event one of them were to succumb to the temptation to try to pull a Jim Adkisson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting), adequate police response might be some time coming. Sure, TESC's dispatcher has a direct line to CapComm ("Capital Communications," the greater Olympia 911 system), and can call in backup from Thurston County Sheriff's Office, Olympia PD and the Washington State Patrol, but they don't always have units nearby. So yeah, some students who weren't prepared to rely on the goodness supposedly inherent in mankind carried against such an eventuality.

Nobody could ever tell for certain, of course, because the individuals in question carried concealed, and curiously, none of them ever alluded to the fact they were carrying while in a discussion in seminar (however heated) or while petitioning an instructor not to give them reduced credits for the quarter.

and in regards to the Student Code of Conduct (UW has one too via the WAC), I can find exactly ZERO examples of a student with a valid CCW being successfully disciplined for carrying on campus. ZERO. It's not a criminal thang (obviously), it's an administrative thing, but as far as I can tell, it has not been enforced and CANNOT be enforced. No public college can supersede state law. There have been any # of cases that establish that. Students don't give up 1st, 4th, or 2nd amendment rights. And god knows they don't give up their rights via State constitution.

PRIVATE colleges can of course prohibit carry by their students and discipline any student found carrying.

no blood in our streets

Concealed carry & self defense are not a prtisan issues.
It's a civil rights issue.

What exactly do you think they are going to do? Seriously?

Running amok is specifically prohibited .

aspects of the university would be diminished if licensed individuals were allowed to legally carry concealed firearms. There seems to be this notion of colleges as some sort of 'sacred space' where guns just obviously don't belong, but I haven't heard a reason - and in fact, everything that exists off-campus exists on campus as well, and there are far bigger disruptions to the scholarly atmosphere than the possibility that someone might be carrying an unseen weapon...

Can't stop with just one.

Carriers will have to be licensed to carry a conceal weapon... not just any student or faculty would be allowed to carry a gun. Universities property is really no different than the rest of public property. :shrug:

All the handwringing will have been for nothing. Life will continue on campus just like before.

yup

Have there been any shootouts in the parking lots? The answer is no.

I know you're against this, but all you have are fears and slurs.

There are Democrats, like me if no one else, who supports this legislation.

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I agree, some people are false flaggers (i.e., republicans posing as extreme anti-gun Democrats).

But its still compelling to 1st graders.

Georgia cons don't care about people and what is good for society. Never have, never will.

The last thing we need is a bunch more right wingers walking around with friggin guns in public -- even in schools.

Next thing you know they'll be sponsoring bills promoting bomb building courses, especially in right wing Baptist backroom home schools. This whole issue of expanded gun toting took off when Obama was elected. I'd like to see a stop to that.

... and has been gaining support throughout the country ever since.

It has nothing to do with the Presidents and everything to do with both conservatives and liberals wanting to protect themselves if needed.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2675


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-hails-ave-maria%E2%80%99s-religious-warriors



Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Tue Sep 09th 2008, 11:14 PM
Looks like the religious culture wars are heating up since Sarah Palin was nominated as VP. Pardon me if I entertain the thought that this has been planned for a long time. The battle for the heart and soul of America truly is underway.

From Right Wing Watch:

Santorum Hails Ave Maria’s Religious Warriors

I find this speech chilling.


As the guest speaker at Ave Maria University's fall convocation August 29, Sen. Rick Santorum described the sources of what he called a "spiritual war" currently engulfing America. He told faculty and students at the Catholic college in Naples, Fla. that corruption is all around us, from our academics and culture, to politics and government. Even our nation's religious heritage and material prosperity have been corrupted to undermine the values on which America was founded, and "exterior attacks from radical Islam" complete the assault. Observing the current political climate he said, "This is not a political war, it is not a cultural war; it's a spiritual war."






http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4059820


AP: Ave Maria University establishes Schiavo scholarship

http://www.detnews.com/2005/schools/0507/09/-241883.htm



Looks like the associational fallacy only works in one direction for certain people...

I will compile a list of CHL-holders who shot up open-carry campuses.

You compile a list of non-CHL holders who shot up gun-free campuses.

Which list do you suppose will be longer?

BTW: my list is empty.