Buy an ak47 in the US and save lives (in Africa)

I was looking at my AK the other day and I found the date it was manufactured and the armory and I was surprised to find out the gun was older than I am although it looks new. So I was thinking when you buy an ak47 in the US the gun has a very low chance of ever being used to kill someone ("assault weapons" are used in only 1-2 percent of murders). My particular AK will never be used to kill someone (it is not my defense gun) and I will keep it indefinitely. But imagine if it had not been imported into the US but rather ended up in Africa. Most violent nations there have very low gun possession rates which means that guns there are more actively used to kill and not sitting in a normal civilian's gun safe, especially in Nigeria where there is a gun ban. So every ak47 that a law abiding citizen in the US buys is potentially one less ak47 on the streets of Afghanistan, Africa, or south America.

Something to consider next time a smart a$$ asks you why you have an AK

did all of those drugs so no kids would ever get their hands on them.

and save all the continents.

First, who's to say that same AK wouldn't have gone into the hands of the person that would kill the despot running whatever country you allege the gun is being kept out of? Second, what makes you think that there's any short of AK rifles available anywhere int he world since they are extremely easy to produce?

By your argument, a small number of individuals should be able to have all the money in the world so it can't be spent elsewhere to kill someone.

I mean if you get your rocks off by owning an AK just say so, don't try to justify it by illogical BS arguments.

Rather it was broken down into an AK kit and sent to the USA. Try and deny it all you want but if the AK were not sent to the US it would probably not be owned by a law abiding gun owner today, I'd bet it would be smugled somewhere.

where they make their own parts and such.

Little tip - if you don't believe money kills, why on Earth would you believe that if you hadn't BOUGHT (presumably with money) an AK, then someone else would have BOUGHT (again, with money) the same weapon.

In your very first post in this thread you stated that the fact that you bought the gun instead of someone else saved lives elsewhere in the world.

That was YOUR argument, not mine.

I hate to shoot down your argument....but all those AK's in Africa are real full auto's.


Most all clones are made for the US market...however.com by giving it a nice safe home you may have kept it from falling into the wrong hands.

Enjoy your AK, I have plans to buy one myself in the near future now that I'm nearly stocked up on AR's for my collection.

Were not meant for the US market.

I don't have much confidence in market based solution to social problems.

Looked like they had never been fired when I got them.

It's likely that none of them will ever be fired in anger again.

Normal? There is nothing normal about it. A normal civilian does not own an ak47.

So I won't ask you why you have one. You've just informed us all that you're doing your part to save lives in other countries. I'm really blown away by your philanthropy.

normal is a value judgement that is over used and misused. The important thing is that the rifle is better sitting in a collector's safe than in the hands of a child soldier anywhere in the world.
If we agree on nothing else on the gun issue, I think we can agree on that.

When used for hunting, the user is required (in every state I am aware of) to use a 5-round magazine, and semi-auto mode only, if the weapon even has the option (and has it legally).

In power, the 7.62x39mm is roughly equal to the venerable .30-30 lever gun, which has probably killed more deer in the United States than all other calibers combined.

So yes, it's a pretty normal weapon. Shoots reasonably well for deer at iron-sight ranges, will properly put down a deer, where an AR-15 WON'T because it is too small and light (and illegal in most states) for use on big game like deer.

Your knee be jerkin'.

the sport right out of slaughtering deer.

the AK-47 is more likely to contine functioning in adverse environmental conditions.

No differences beyond that. (At iron sights ranges anyway)

The AK-47, like any other semi-automatic rifle, allows for a faster follow-up shot, should the first shot only wound, and not instantly kill the deer.

Keep in mind, both the lever gun, and the AK-47 (and ALL rifles) would be limited to the same number of rounds while hunting. The type of rifle would not enable 'spray and pray'.

Serious question. Can you answer it?

you think someone humainly killing their own food is evil and savage like. And you say this while munching a cow that someone else killed for you under very barbaric conditions like the factory farm/feedlot.

Now if you are talking about shooting elephants for the head, I agree.

is a non-automatic .30-30-class rifle with a 5-shot magazine, regardless of whether it looks "1870's USA" or "1950's Russia".

Here's a civilian AK in legal hunting configuration:



Just like any other civilian rifle, it fires one and only one shot when the trigger is pulled, and that's a 5-round hunting magazine.

Serious question. Can you answer it?

just like any other NFA Title 1 civilian gun in this country.

What do the guns of a "normal civilian" look like, FWIW? I was born in 1970; the "1950's Hollywood Western" aesthetic ended before I was born.

Africa always wins .

and that was the dumbest gun post evah

really

:rofl:

are produced solely for U.S./European civilian use, and are not pulled from the actual automatic AK's on the international arms market.

I own a 2002 SAR-1, BTW. AK's are excellent little carbines.

Supply will generally expand to meet demand, so if there's a private citizen in the U.S. who wants a Zastava M70AB2 "Sporter" and a warlord in west Africa who wants a Zastava M70AB2, the most likely outcome is that Zastava will produce two rifles instead of one.

Never seen one. I have seen plenty of older wearhoused ak47s

However, now they are selling them and breaking them down into AK kits and sending them here.

There aren't nearly as many Romy G builds incoming as (say) SAR/WASR's, and all the Saigas are new production as well.

Also, a lot of the Middle East combatants are either using Cold War Era stuff, Chinese production (Type 56), or local manufacture, not newly procured European.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_56_assault_rifle

The primary AK's of the Taliban are supposedly Chinese Type 56's, and Hamas/etc. seem to be mostly outfitted with Type 56's (or the Iranian knockoff, the KL-7.62) as well, and the Iraqi insurgents would seem to be using Saddam-era AK's from the former Iraqi Army. I *think* the Afghani army uses a mix of Soviet-era guns, either Russian AK/AKM or Hungarian AMD-xx.

If they made $20 off the deal, they can make two more and sell one to wherever. Plus, the civilian imports now brought in, are not the select fire real deals still being unearthed in warehouses and made under license around the world, for use in the grey markets and conflict zones around the world.

Your imported civilian AK-47 or clone, would not have ended up in africa regardless.

Sorry.