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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:28 AM
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Who gets drunk in a bar or restaurant and pulls the gun they came in with?
Edited on Mon May-09-11 11:29 AM by spin
must be those untrustworthy always paranoid people who have concealed carry permits and always have to carry a gun everywhere, right?


Is the F.O.P. Trying to Protect us from Gun-owners or Police?
May 9th, 2011 1:51 am ET

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Nearly one year after Tennessee passed a similar law allowed concealed carry permit holders to patronize restaurants that serve alcohol without disarming, law enforcement officials say that there has been no change and that all of the controversy surrounding the bill was “much ado about nothing”. The Knox County Sheriff’s Department reported that of the 61 calls they received last year from businesses that serve alcohol, none of them involved guns. emphasis added

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There have been reports that in the past two months there have been four stories in the national news about people in bars getting drunk and using the gun they came in with to either shoot or threaten employees and customers just because they got mad while all liquored up … all four were cops.

On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 Officer Ritchie Heffron, a 17-year veteran Nassau County Police Officer entered the South Main Street Pub in Farmingdale, N.Y after hours. Heffron, who was off-duty and not in uniform drew his weapon and pointed it at bartender Charlie Ball. As a result of the incident, Heffron was suspended without pay and has checked himself into rehab. The Union did not respond to requests for a statement.

Without question, any concealed carry permit holder witnessing the event would have had every legal right to draw his weapon and fire on Heffron. Perhaps that’s what the F.O.P. wants to avoid. It has been said that everyone has some kind of hidden agenda and it appears as though that agenda for the F.O.P. is to keep its’ drunken, unscrupulous officers from getting shot even when they’re dead wrong.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-cleveland/is-the-f-o-p-trying-to-protect-us-from-gun-owners-or-police




Caught on CCTV: Shocking footage shows 'intoxicated' off-duty police officer waving loaded gun in a bar
Last updated at 1:38 AM on 6th May 2011

A police officer has been suspended without pay and forced to hand over his weapons after he was caught on camera pointing a loaded gun at a bartender.

Richard Heffron was drinking while off duty at the bar in Farmingdale, New York, last Tuesday when he suddenly pulled out his weapon and aimed it at the man behind the bar.

While no shots were fired, the officer has been disciplined for his potentially fatal show of bravado.


Loaded: Police officer Richard Heffron is caught on tape pointing his gun at a barman during a night out while he was off duty

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384012/Off-duty-cop-suspended-caught-camera-waving-gun-bar.html#ixzz1LsA6gFNd




Should off-duty cops carry guns at bars? City weighs
Case of Baltimore officer charged with murder leads to policy review

updated 12/6/2010 11:31:44 AM ET

There's nothing unusual about a Baltimore officer packing heat for a night of carousing. In fact, officers are generally required to do so. But recent shootings involving alcohol and off-duty officers have some experts decrying the department's gun policy as an outdated approach other big cities have abandoned.

Baltimore's policy "boils down to the whole dated concept that a cop was a cop 24 hours a day. New York and many other places have become much more realistic," said Eugene O'Donnell, a former New York officer and current lecturer at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

Baltimore Police Commissioner Frederick Bealefeld III is considering changes, such as a restriction on drinking while armed. But he's reluctant to toss out a decades-old policy that he says helps protect the public.

An Associated Press review of investigative records shows that since 2005, off-duty Baltimore officers have shot people 15 times. In a dozen cases, the officers intervened to stop crimes or defend themselves. But the three shootings that led to officers being disciplined — and another instance when an off-duty officer was killed by a fellow cop — involved alcohol or took place around bars.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40531693/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/should-off-duty-cops-carry-guns-bars-city-weighs/



D.C. cop accused of brandishing gun at West Haven bar
Published: Monday, January 03, 2011

WEST HAVEN — A Washington, D.C., cop who allegedly brandished a semi-automatic weapon during a closing-time argument with Lager House bouncers faces reckless endangerment and other charges.

Danny McCullough III, allegedly pointed the weapon at the ground as he was being escorted out of the busy Campbell Avenue bar at closing time.

McCullough, 38, who initially fled the scene and was chased down by police, told officers the gun was his duty weapon and that he pulled it out because he was afraid he would be jumped, police said.

A manager at Lager House said he had no comment.
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2011/01/03/blotter/doc4d220ddd99d3f170967909.txt



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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:35 AM
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1. Seems we should disarm cops...
They obviously have a predilection for unsafe gun handling.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:13 PM
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2. LEOs are...
...much more likely than civilians to shoot the wrong party when called to a disturbance, even without a few drinks.

Probably the nature of the job.
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Oneka Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:36 PM
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3. Seriously?
"A police officer has been suspended without pay and forced to hand over his weapons after he was caught on camera pointing a loaded gun at a bartender."


What, no mention of criminal charges?

I guess I'm not surprised.
There used to be a time when I thought that the law applied to everyone
equally,

Then I turned 17.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:26 PM
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5. So true......
Police very seldom get fired much less charged with a crime. The legal system is a joke when t comes to police officers. n-t
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:24 PM
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4. In Kansas I can even drink in a bar as long as I am not above .08, even though I wouldn't. n-t
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:50 PM
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7. Just another anti boogie man without any stats, but it makes for great drama
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