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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:56 PM
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So Texas politicians don't want to mess with those no gun signs so they pass a law just for them!!
I hope the CCW citizens throw a fit about this. Politicians can carry anywhere! BS ruling class stuff.

The Senate voted Monday to let legislators, statewide elected officials and U.S. attorneys carry concealed handguns to locations that are off limits to most concealed handgun licensees. A bill approved by the Senate on a 25-6 vote would let those government officials pack concealed weapons at sporting events, and in churches, hospitals and bars - even in businesses that have a policy prohibiting persons from carrying handguns onto their premises. The measure now goes to the House.

Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, author of the bill, said he was trying to simplify things for government officials who have a concealed handgun license and want to carry a weapon when they are traveling around, sometimes to multiple locations for speeches or other events. Right now, Patrick said, those officials have to leave their handguns in the car or risk violating the law if they carry a weapon into a place that does not allow them.

The legislation would also cover former legislators and selected officials from the Texas Department of Public Safety who have a CHL but are not peace officers. If the bill passes this session, lawmakers and statewide officeholders would join federal judges, state judges, district attorneys, assistant district attorneys and county attorneys who are already exempt from most restrictions on where concealed handguns may be carried. More than 460,000 Texans have concealed handgun licenses.

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http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/the-senate-voted-monday-to.html

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:58 PM
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1. How much do I despise Dan Patrick.
The new Tom Delay of Texas politics, and in some ways worse.
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Spoonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:56 PM
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17. I would like to ask the moderators
for a bit of latitude on this one please.

I have known Dan for almost 20 years.

Although he and I disagree politically the majority of the time, he is extremely intelligent, and honest to a fault.

You despise him based on what?

Tom Delay is/was a crook, so please enlighten us with some factual data to support your claim.

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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:02 PM
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19. Read the OP
It convinced me that he's at least an elitist
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Spoonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:26 PM
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26. Dan is not an elitist.
He was raised lower middle class/blue collar in Baltimore.

Dan, like many legislators, have received numerous threats to include death threats.

After the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, they are all nervous.

PS - The bill (SB 905) was co-authored by Senator Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa (D)- District 20
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:52 PM
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29. He can carry a gun past a 30.06 sign and I can't?
Edited on Mon May-09-11 03:52 PM by RSillsbee
(against the property owner's wishes I might add) He's an elitist (at the very least)

Dan, like many legislators, have received numerous threats to include death threats.

I have a psychotic Assed former SIL who has stated on numerous occasions that I am the reason he went to prison, He has threatened mylife why can't I carry past a 30.06 sign?
TYPO
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:22 PM
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32. Mr. Patrick, for all his virtues, fails to grasp a fundamental tenet of democracy and rule of law
Namely, that the legislative branch of government should on no account be permitted to exempt its members from the laws it imposes on the general citizenry. It is the basic deterrent against the creation of bad law that the lawmakers themselves will be affected by it if they adopt it.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:02 PM
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2. If you can't trust a politician who can you trust....LOL
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:09 PM
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3. Already there is some of this privledged class for concealed carry
Cops, off duty cops, retired cops, and maybe now prison guards are authorized via credentials to carry weapons regardless of the signage. This also applies to most LEOs in most jurisdictions including Feds. The laws about it are fairly technical, but pretty much they get to carry anywhere.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:12 PM
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5. I am surprised this crap does not get jumped big time in Texas. n-t
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:13 PM
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6. In some states PIs also.
That's private investigators have a different CCW status.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:08 PM
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22. There is a precedent
This puts them in the same privileged class as Chicago Aldermen.

Chicago Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed reported this week Mayor Daley demands around-the-clock protection using Chicago Police officers as bodyguards after he leaves office — and at least two vehicles at his disposal — one for himself and one for his wife in political retirement.

http://www.suntimes.com/5201760-417/daley-calls-retirement-bodyguard-request-appropriate.html

What was that bit Orwell wrote?

"For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
"

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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:33 PM
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33. It is a little different, in that the people receiving the exemption aren't the ones who created it
Judges, public prosecutors, retired LEOs etc. are at least not lawmakers themselves.
City aldermen in Illinois are lawmakers, but not state lawmakers, and it's state law that permits them to carry (thus, it's not just Chicago aldermen who can carry, but also aldermen from Springfield, Decatur, Champaign, Bloomington, Peoria, and every other incorporated city in the state). That's not to say the law isn't a bad one, because by granting city aldermen the status of "peace officers," it erodes the separation of powers between the legislative and executive branches of government. But at least the city aldermen didn't exempt themselves from the laws they made.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:12 PM
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4. K&R
I live in Texas and this is bullshit. Those people are no better than me.

"Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, author of the bill, said he was trying to simplify things for government officials who have a concealed handgun license and want to carry a weapon when they are traveling around, sometimes to multiple locations for speeches or other events. Right now, Patrick said, those officials have to leave their handguns in the car or risk violating the law if they carry a weapon into a place that does not allow them."

WOW, doesn't this sound like all of us? I took my class, passed my test, I scored 249/250 on the shooting range.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:13 PM
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7. Unbelievable that he thinks he has more need than you or any other citizen. I am surprised as .....
pro-gun as Texas is that there is not a protest about this.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:33 PM
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11. this is the first I've heard of it
Gonna contact my rep today.

Thanks for the info.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:39 PM
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15. Let me know what he/she says. Curious. n-t
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TPaine7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:20 PM
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8. This is bull
"Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, author of the bill, said he was trying to simplify things for government officials who have a concealed handgun license and want to carry a weapon when they are traveling around, sometimes to multiple locations for speeches or other events. Right now, Patrick said, those officials have to leave their handguns in the car or risk violating the law if they carry a weapon into a place that does not allow them."

There are businessmen, team members, and others who travel to multiple locations for other events. They have to leave their handguns in the car or violate the law, too. Notice that this politician doesn't cite safety concerns arising from holding public office but convenience.

At some point, the Fourteenth Amendment kicks in--there must be equal protection of the laws for all.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:23 PM
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9. Any CCW holder has to deal with those issues and find a way. And like you said....
I bet many business people travel more than he does. This is such an obvious biased law that I think it would get more coverage.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:36 PM
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14. Wow, something that both "sides" on guns can agree on.
We all hate it, though for different reasons.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:24 PM
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10. I'm going to call it right here
In the next ten years there will be at least one gun related incident on the floor of the Texas Senate or House floor. Those people are crazy enough to think they can scare their political opponents with guns.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:33 PM
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12. Can we file that with the "Blood will run in the streets" calls?
Edited on Mon May-09-11 02:34 PM by DonP
I doubt there will be a "shooting on the floor" because they aren't carrying to "scare political opponents", unless of course you have some evidence besides your own projected fears to back that up?

But It's a horseshit idea to create two distinct classes of citizens setting legislators apart, but here in Illinois we have no carry options and every legislator from Aldermen to the Governor are considered "peace officers" and are allowed to carry with no permitting process. Considering how many have gone up the river, 4 of the last 6 governors included, there are more than a few that have turned out to be felons.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:36 PM
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13. Not a "shooting" an "incident"
Meaning someones going to flash a gun or maybe even go as far as pulling it out and pointing it around.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:11 PM
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23. It's called "brandishing" and I believe it's a felony in Texas, as it should be
We've already had that happen in gun free Chicago when Liberal Democrat Alderman Dorothy Tilman pulled her S&W revolver out in the middle of a city council meeting and waved it around in the city council chambers to show how she wasn't afraid of anybody. Other aldermen dove under desks and ran out of the room. Tilman was not charged for any violation and was asked by the Sgt of Arms not to take it our of her purse again.

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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:13 PM
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24. I remember when that happened
Chicago is a crazy place, you never know what is going to happen. I'm glad I no long live in the city.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:20 PM
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31. Tilman lost her election and was arrested in Georgia (?) or Mississippi
... for obstruction of justice and assaulting an officer.

She was visiting some family in the South and was pulled over for a traffic violation and tried to push the local cops around, literally and figuratively, by telling them "do you know who I am" crap. Then she pushed a cop and tried to get back in her car. Not a good move anywhere. In Chicago it could have gotten her a hook up, tased and a free ride to the precinct. Down there, they just arrested her on the spot.

I think they bargained the charges down to simple obstruction.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:47 PM
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16. That's BS
Who are "those people"?

Texans?

Legislators?

Gun Carriers?
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:59 PM
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18. Well I meant Republicans
Since a Republican authored the bill and they control the Texas legislature. Don't try and tell me that they are not insane and will not do anything to spread fear and get their way, because I know they will.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:04 PM
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20. Don't confuse me w/ facts my mind is made up. NT
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:06 PM
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21. What facts?
Republicans are nuts, they are capable of anything. Those who underestimate their opponents, rarely live to underestimate anyone ever again.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:27 PM
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27. thank you for clarifying
I live in far West Texas which is a democrat stronghold in a state that is very republican. If you look at a map of Texas colored blue and red for how the people voted in elections you will see El Paso is a solid blue.

I just hate to see people dismiss the south or Texas as being a bunch of nuts because there are some sane voices here.
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Spoonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:27 PM
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28. The bill (SB 905) was co-authored by
Senator Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa (D) - District 20
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:06 PM
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34. You must be just too young
You missed it, your really did!!!

Senator Thomas Dodd, the father of recently retired Senator Chris Dodd, was a staunch proponent of gun control in the Fifties and Sixties. He was, in fact, the principal author of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

He also famously dropped a Colt's Pocket Model on the floor of the United States Senate Chamber.



You can always hope it might cause a return to civility.

"Dueling with Sword and Pistol" by Paul Kirchner

Prior to the Civil War, Sen. Ben Wade (R-Ohio) said something on the floor which was deemed insulting to Sen. Robert Toombs (D-Ga), and a friend told Toombs, "you must challenge the old wretch!" Toombs replied, "No, I mustn't, for that old wretch is the deadliest shot in the District. Wade and I have been out practicing many times together, and he can hit a ten-cent piece at thirty paces every time, and to tell you the truth, sir, I cannot!"


Is this historical bias in favor of gun control by Democratic lawmakers just because, as a cohort, they are such abysmally poor shots?

I certainly cannot envision President Obama inviting the inventor of a new rifle to go shoot it on the White House lawn like President Lincoln did to Christopher Spencer.

“On the 18 of August, 1863, I arrived at the White House with rifle in hand, and was immediately ushered into the executive room. I found the president alone. With brief introduction I took the rifle from its case and presented it to him. Looking it over carefully and handling it as one familiar with firearms, he requested me to take it apart to show the “inwardness of the thing.” It was soon dissected, laid on the table before him. After a careful examination and his emphatic approval, I was asked if I had any engagement for the following day. When I replied that I was at his command, he requested that I “Come over tomorrow at 2 o’clock, and we will go out and see the thing shoot.”

The target was a board about six inches wide, and three feet long, with a black spot near each end. The rifle contained seven cartridges. Mr. Lincoln’s first shot was low, but the next his the bull’s eye, and the other five were close around it. “Now,” says he, “we will let the inventor try it.” Being in almost daily practice, I naturally beat the President a little. “Well,” he said, “you are younger than I am, have a better eye, and a steadier nerve.”


Bidding farewell to Spencer, Lincoln gave him the riddled target, saying that ‘it might be a gratifying souvenir.’ It is currently on display at the Illinois State Military Museum on Camp Lincoln in Springfield, Illinois.
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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:20 PM
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25. This stinks, but..
1. A CCW is required
2. It is a baby step toward unrestricted carry for all CCW holders, and
3. Next session, when unrestricted carry for all CCW holders is proposed, every legislator, irregardless of party affiliation, with a CCW will either support it or be assured defeat in the next election.

Maybe its not such a bad thing after all.

Semper Fi,
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:54 PM
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30. I hope you are right. n-t
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:30 PM
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35. Better idea -- just ban them for everyone, no exceptions.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:49 PM
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36. Keep on dreaming
and spouting the bs
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:26 AM
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37. The thought makes you sound/look like you sucked a lemon.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:30 AM
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38. You know we're winning right Hoyt?
Texas just passed campus carry. Wisconsin is on its way to constitutional carry. Now who looks like they sucked a lemon , or something?
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