WI Gun bills trigger applause, dismay (Did I mention DISMAY?) DU this poll, pretty please.

These Wisconsin gun bills are pretty crazy. Maybe we should DU this poll?

A snippet from the article: A newly floated bill that would allow Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons without getting permits, background checks or training would essentially let the state catch up with the latest thinking in gun law, according to backers who call the approach "constitutional carry.

Poll and article are here: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/121478429.html

(mind you JSOnline (Journal Sentinel) leans kinda right...if you haven't noticed)

people really are short sighted, but in time they'll see what happens when people carry weapons around with them everyday, everywhere. Fucking dumb and totally unnecessary, that's what really pisses me off about legislation like this. I truly believe there are forces on the right who want to completely destroy society because they don't like it.... in fact, it scares the shit out of them.

....with none of the horrifying consequences you're talking about.....oh, wait...

oh wait!

completely destroy society because they don't like it... I don't know what kind of a crap hole they want to live in, but it appears they want the US to be in the stone age while the rest of the world gets their SH** together and moves on, and they will move on rapidly.

The way the US is currently performing we will not stand a ghost of a chance of being world leaders in the 21st century.

We will have some form of a fascist oligarchy theocracy probably building and selling arms to other countries.

Somehow I don't picture Howard Dean and Bernie Saunders as the vanguard of some neo-Puritan onslaught...

And, BTW, pretty much every country with an industrial base sells arms to other countries.

Crime is at a 40 year low.



Go figure...

There, fixed it.

...not to mention unnecessary. Live by the gun, die by a gun.... really dumb.

Have a great evening!

Sorry, but I have the weight of evidence on my side. What have you on yours, besides the usual rhetoric?

had a hand in that too.

Like I said, insane, irresponsible, unnecessary and well, dumb.

You are wrong, and will be wrong on this topic regardless of how you spin it. Living by a gun is dumb.

Yawn...

In fact, most of the time I just rely on the FBI crime statistics, which have never born out the sort of uptick in crime that people like yourself claim occurs in states that allow concealed carry. It was this fact, actually, that started me to research this issue more deeply and eventually led me to move from the anti to the pro side of this argument.

This has nothing to do with gun manufacturers and everything to do with people like yourself confusing the root issues of violence with firearms. People have a right to be able to defend themselves effectively, and ensuring this right is a very important (and progressive) ideal. Want to fight crime? Then devote your efforts to poverty and education, as I think those two issues play a significantly larger role in violent crime.

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:rofl:

Haven't been killed by one yet.


Keeping the streak alive!

:rofl:

Matthew 26:52, albeit it with the technology updated a bit.

(Young's Literal Translation, emphasis mine)

Of course, in Luke 22:36, Jesus tells his followers that any of them who doesn't have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one, so it's not as if you can get any consistent advice from the Gospels. Which isn't surprising, given that they're riddled with inconsistencies.

DU a gun poll :rofl:

Do you support "constitutional carry?"

A bill that would allow Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons without getting permits, background checks or training would let the state catch up with the latest thinking in gun law, according to backers. Others, however, seem stunned at the idea.

Yes - I should be able to carry a concealed gun without a permit or training (64%)
I'm OK with concealed carry, but I think it should only be allowed with a permit and training (22%)
I'm opposed to concealed carry - period (14%)
Total Responses: 8270

....is an ideal of "tyranny and oppression"??? Please point to some examples of tyrannical and oppressive governments that supported an armed populace?

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The 2nd amendment is racist.

But in your la la land, ensuring blacks AND whites have access to the means to defend themselves from criminals (again both black and white) is somehow wrong.

in a Progressive website, are vile in the extreme.

Take yourself... elsewhere.

from this bill that stipulates "it's ok for white folks to carry" and "go ahead and kill dem darkies if ya like, we'll look the other way (wink wink)".

Do I really need the sarcasm tag?

One side of this debate wishes for people to be able to choose for themselves.


The other wishes to forbid people from choosing for themselves.


Which side is pushing tyrany?

Which side is being the bully?


Apply the principles of your answer to the abortion issue and get back to us.

Seriously?

Thanks for the link. :smoke:

I gave it a nice fat YES......which currently garners 64%.

Big fat Hell YES.., i live one state over and it sucks to have to pull over and trunk my firearm when i have to drive into Wisconsin.

...and that vote is YES.

You might get it

If you do not allow licensed concealed carry with reasonable provisions, some asshat republicans will get together and use the resentment built by NO concealed carry, to ram through this 'constitutional carry' bullshit.

You foment opposition, when you allow no legal option for CPL/CCW/etc.

Has been a problem in Vermont since at least 1791 right?

I think it is appropriate to license this aspect of firearms carry. Especially since in our state, the CPL bypasses the handgun purchase waiting period.

I am fine with unlicensed open carry, however, I see concealed carry as a privelidge.

I think it is appropriate to license this aspect of firearms carry. Especially since in our state, the CPL bypasses the handgun purchase waiting period.

Colorado has no waiting period. It also has no background check on private sales (IMO) waiting periods are pointless especially if you have more than one gun already.

I am fine with unlicensed open carry,

I agree on this point


however, I see concealed carry as a privelidge.

Disagree it's the same gun whether I'm wearing a jacket or not

However, you did ask for it, and I certainly complied with your stated wishes...

JS ONLINE might be cheating...so much for freedom of the press...

There has been 1000 votes since I posted this and the percentages have hardly changed....but now they add up to 101%.

...what else would you expect in vote tallying there?

It doesn't mean anything.

Whatta trainwreck .

union busting started so I'm well aware of their slant on things...but they are a pretty mainstream newspaper.

I just hadn't seen anything as ridiculous as polls that have 101%. (that's the math teacher in me crying foul!)

it's about time WI joins the rest of the country on this issue..