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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 10:27 AM
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New Study Points to Truth About Mexican Cartels' Guns
The Woodrow Wilson International Center, which previously accepted as fact that incredible numbers of newly purchased firearms were being smuggled from the U.S. to Mexico, has just released a report showing that the numbers have been incredibly exaggerated. The revelation shifts the blame for Mexico's drug cartel problem away from America's "lax" gun laws, and squarely in the direction of Mexican officials and Central American weapons smugglers.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7789

Sometimes it takes a while to get the truth out - even longer if there is mis-information being propagated. Thank the founders for that wonderful First Amendment.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:11 AM
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1. We know the truth about the Mexican Cartels' Guns
They buy M249s AT4s M1A1 Abrams tanks and all that stuff right at your local gunshow/ Satanic love fest. I read it right here on DU
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 11:32 AM
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2. Not True!
Everybody knows you can get AK-47's, M16's, and full auto pistols at your local Wal Mart, all because the NRA is soooo powerful (even though they don't represent anyone but dittohead wingnuts and gun manufacturers.)
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:02 PM
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3. Be really mean, link to the ATF's own documents
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Cartel_Strategy.pdf

There is much interesting on pp. 12-13 (of pdf pagination):

Hmmm.... straw man purchasers are uninteresting targets. The cartels themselves are out of our reach. That seems to leave FFLs and gunshows.

And the responsibility for the agency-sponsored gun running seems to go right to the top. P. 18 is devoted to HQ monitoring of operations. "The monitoring and coordinating of Southwest border investigations will be the responsibility of the recently established Firearms Operations Division."

P. 19: "The controlled movement of firearms, ammunition, explosives, explosives devices, and/or components or non-functional “props” of such items across the U.S.-Mexico border from the United States shall be coordinated with and approved in advance by Bureau headquarters and the MCO "

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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:48 PM
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7. Interesting link. Thanks n/t
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:14 PM
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4. +1
Of course it's been a lie since the beginning, and a well known one at that.

Why would cartels get traceable guns from the US that must be smuggled across the US border when they can get untraceable machine guns at home for cheaper from their own government?

Cartels are evil, not stupid.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:50 PM
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8. But there ARE evil people
That think WE are stupid .


Follow the tale of The Iron River to its headwaters and you will find the culprits .
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:43 PM
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5. Paging our local ATF apologists,
Cleanup on aisle 9.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:46 PM
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6. On has to wonder what the real agenda is behind the lies
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:02 PM
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9. The answer is another assault weapons ban ...
The last one was such a great success.

:sarcasm:
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:19 PM
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10. AWB,CC, OC, magazines, muzzle breaks, ect...whatever makes them feel better ban.
Edited on Wed May-18-11 01:20 PM by ileus
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:23 PM
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11. Don't forget bayonet lugs. We MUST stop all those drive by bayonetings.
And the so often bayonet charge during gang wars.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:04 PM
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12. Ban the thingy that goes up!
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:11 PM
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13. Oh FUCK no!
Oh wait, you were talking about a gun thing. Well. I ain't for banning that either.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:23 PM
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15. flilp up rear sites? upside down vertical foregrips? LOL
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:21 PM
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14. Lots of drive by unrecs. Wonder why the don't stick around and talk.
Edited on Wed May-18-11 02:22 PM by Bold Lib
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 06:26 PM
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18. Because when they get mad, post insults and have Internet tantrums their posts are deleted
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:24 PM
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16. what we need are bullet buttons to keep Mexico safe.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 09:28 AM
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17. I wonder if this news "burned someones biscuits".
:rofl:
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:59 AM
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19. Some good quotes...
Edited on Fri May-20-11 12:00 PM by Atypical Liberal
"According to the report, Mexican President Felipe Calderon "Said Mexico had seized about 90,000 arms . . . .But ATF now reports that tens of thousands of the trace requests are duplicates. In some cases, ATF has received information on the same firearm up to five times as Mexican police, a crime lab, the military, and the Attorney General's office all write down information on the same firearm, and the individual in the Attorney General's office in Mexico City submits trace requests on all of them."

"The report also corroborates previously revealed information that "U.S. military officials also report that more than 50 percent of the military-type arms such as mortars, hand grenades, and grenade launchers discovered in caches have crossed into Mexico most recently from Central America.""


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