A great organization to protect gun rights. Second amendment foundation.

http://www.saf.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation

They have been behind or part of a lot of the progress in RKBA. They have less political activity outside the 2A (except a little 1A stuff). While I support the NRA and work from within to reform, the SAF will be getting more of my money in the future.

The SAF is doing the job of the ACLU for the second amendment.

Why would anyone in a supposedly civilized nation ever think they have a right bear arms? The second amendment is one of the main reasons, but not the only one, why the United States is considered a backward, uncivilized, 19th century nation.

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Are you saying that Norway, Finland, and Switzerland are backward? Oh yeah, don't forget France's Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. It is called the enlightenment, you know John Locke and Thomas Paine, you know the leftist radicals sparked our revolt against the Crown and East India Company. All individual rights are natural rights our Constitution puts limits on the state. There are those who argue the Charter of Rights and Freedoms also guarantees the right also.

Here I thought it was the lack of a single payer health care and letting Newt Gingrich in front of a mike. Most likely, I have lived in more countries than you have been in provinces, and quite frankly I don't give a rats ass what the rest of the world thinks. Just like I don't give a rat's ass about suburbanites who like to pretend that they are better than some backwoods person.

there are many canucks who believe Canada is the only truly "civilised(sic) nation"..Narcissism is, apparently, a side effect of drinking the water in the great white north, eh hoser?

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What with that stupid 1st amendment too. Man, can't we do ANYTHING right?

Go insult some other country on a website that promotes democrat/liberal/progressive ideas.

still too wordy though. We're looking for concise here, they don't pay by the word, ye' know.

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that we have the longest lasting written Constitution in the world.

Of course, the First Amendment might be a more important factor which is why it is the first amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Other nations consider us backward and uncivilized but we enjoy freedoms they don't because we trust our citizens far more than they do theirs. Unfortunately the War on Drugs and the War on Terror is eroding many of the freedoms our founding fathers granted us in the Bill of Rights.

It is possible that the nation my grandchildren will inherit will not be as free and our great experiment will end up in failure. They may well end up in a modern day feudal society where the rich and powerful and the big corporations oppress the poor and there is no middle class.

Canada sucks, stay up there.

.....about Switzerland as well? Just curious because they also have a high firearm ownership rate. Honestly, I think the whole "uncivilized" argument when it comes to firearms ownership is possibly one of the biggest hunks of shit I've ever seen. Honestly, I think a nation that tries to DISARM its population is the truly uncivilized one.

The next thing you know, they'll be wanting to vote. How quaint...

If it weren't for us you wouldn't have anything to be arrogant about.

PolSci 101: Authority is the legitimate exercise of power; to be legitimate, that power has to be coupled to responsibility.

Thus, a government that refuses to accept responsibility for protecting its citizens, and liability for failing to do so, has no legitimate authority to deprive those citizens of the means to protect themselves.

Speaking as an immigrant from western Europe, I do not consider the United States to be "a backward, uncivilized, 19th century nation"; if anything, it's the way many governments of industrialized countries don't entrust their citizens with effective means of self-defense that I would consider positively feudal.

What the fuck are you doing commenting on the policies of a "backward, uncivilized, 19th century nation."?

just can't stay away from US political sites, eh? Thank Jeezuz what the Narcissists of the Nort(sic) are toothless (no pun intended) within US politics..enjoy you're US guaranteed relative freedom ya' hear, hoser.

but Canada is a non-player on the world stage. When you have accomplished 1% of what the United States has-- for good or for ill--get back to us. In the meantime, being an ignorant, self-righteous critic is not as impressive as you seem to think. Especially while championing a non-entity.

The real question is how can a country regard itself as civilized while forbidding the means of self defense. Sure, you have the (limited, highly constrained and theoretical) right to resist armed robbery, kidnapping, rape and murder, but the tools to do so are forbidden to be carried.

It's like admitting--grudgingly--that someone is entitled to plough a field but forbidding the use of tractors, horses, or ploughs.

We have pretty thick skins, but even we aren't inclined to suffer you gladly. We do notice that, among other things, you post on an "uncivilized" forum. Why not limit yourself to the websites hosted by the non-entity?

America is a leader, not a third rate follower. And you know it. You can only look down your nose at us because you're standing on your head.

Enjoy being an accoutrement.

Sure, the SAF funds some good litigation, but it's essentially a two-man operation (Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman) and they're both pretty right-wing. There's only so much mail and e-mail you can get going on about how "liberals" supposedly want this and that before, as a liberal, you say "fuck this."

the SAF has no Ted Nugent, and they also focus on litigation. One complaint about the NRA were the campaign contributions. A two-man crew isn't really a bad thing, it results in the greatest efficiency because a lot of the donations to the NRA goes to maintaining the organization and paying wages and salaries while the SAF has little overhead. This is one reason why the Brady Campaign is in so much trouble, because now most of their expenses will go toward just paying the maintenance costs. The SAF will be able to send most of your money to legal fees and good solid litigation. I see no history of bad litigation or attacks against democrats just because they are democrats but rather solid attacks against politicians who are anti-gun and if anyone has any evidence against this post up the link please.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Sometimes you must go with pragmatism to ensure your goals.