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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:06 PM
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Officials find house full of guns in Grand Terrace, right next to day care
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=8163858

GRAND TERRACE, Calif. (KABC) -- San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies discovered a house filled with heavy weapons right next door to a day care center.

The house is located on the 22500 block of Pico Street in Grand Terrace. Officials said a 57-year-old man living there is in custody and is expected to be booked on attempted murder charges.

Investigators said he became irritated with a man who was picking up his grandchild from the day care center next door.

A fight broke out and the suspect was allegedly subdued before he could pull the trigger of his gun.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:49 PM
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1. Well, they weren't really "heavy weapons," but were
typical individual firearms. Had the man not tried to harm deputies, he'd probably be in no real trouble.

"Heavy weapons" implies something more than semi-auto rifles, pistols, and shotguns. All the ones I saw looked pretty legal, although California laws on "assault" rifles can be tricky.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:52 PM
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2. No they had it right.
Those damn Walthers weigh a ton.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:58 PM
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6. I almost bought a pps a few years back...
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:41 PM
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13. Next month they'll be "heavy assault weapons".
Sheeshe...............
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littlewolf Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:52 PM
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3. heavy weapons .... belt fed ... 30's and 50"s ? srsly ??
wow .... /didn't go to the link ....
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 03:44 PM
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17. "Heavy weapons" means artillery and armored fighting vehicles
The minimum for a "heavy weapon" is something in the order of a 4.2" or 120mm mortar, a 75mm howitzer or an armored personnel carrier.

Crew-served weapons like medium machine guns, heavy machine guns, and 60-82mm mortars, and manportable rocket and missile launchers are typically classed as "light weapons."

What this guy had were "small arms."
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littlewolf Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:13 PM
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18. Thank you .. navy here ... 3", 5" 16" and missles .....and ciws...
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:46 PM
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23. Wow! CIWS
I didn't know anyone could even lift one of those r2d2 looking things. Hope Mr. Northrup didn't get a hernia.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:43 PM
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29.  Its not the weapon, its lifting enough ammo to feed it! n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:55 PM
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4. maybe he was protecting the day care center.....
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:57 PM
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5. he must have a slow trigger finger...
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 12:59 PM
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7. So much for those strict California gun laws:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x423170

Guess they do not, in fact, place a geas upon criminals...
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:05 PM
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8. An opportunity to confiscate which should not be missed!
But please let's destroy what is seized and not unleash it back upon the public.

P.S., and close down the stores where he bought the stuff.

P.P.S., and close down the factories where it was produced (or close down the import companies which brought it into the country).
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:14 PM
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9. What your proposals for combatting drunk driving might look like:
Padlocking Toyota dealers...

Recycling the cars of those convicted of DUI...

Shutting down River Rouge and Cadillac Hamtramck....
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 01:49 PM
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10. Drunk driving is like firing bullets into the air not knowing where they will land.
Or firing in the general direction of the county fairgrounds on the 4th of July.

Reckless disregard.
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TPaine7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:21 PM
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11. And sober driving is like carrying a well-holstered weapon on one's person. n/t
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:50 PM
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24. Sober driving the Deathmobile, maybe.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:15 PM
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35. Well said.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:21 PM
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12.  You are a piker, lets carry it further
Kill the managers of the factory and import company
Put the people who build the weapons in prison
Put the employees of the import company in prison
Forfeit to the Gov. all physical assets of both company's
Forfeit to the Gov. all assets of the managers and employees of both company's
Raze to the ground all buildings and structures owned, rented or leased to either company

There is that better?




-:sarcasm:-
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 03:20 PM
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15. You have no imagination. The only long term solution is to bomb the living snot out of
Edited on Wed Jun-01-11 03:40 PM by petronius
any country from which guns are imported. Then, any country which contains guns gets the same treatment. Otherwise, more of those sneaky little devils will creep in here on their dirty little trigger-feet.

Also, when you kill those managers, don't you mean to kill their parents too? After all, who do you think raised those vile murderers?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:04 PM
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25. Nobody needs to die or be deprived of their liberty. Just turn off the spigot.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:46 PM
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30.  NO, they must be PUNISHED for building and selling such dangerous items. n/t
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:01 PM
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31. No they don't, and drugs can be treated just the same way. Take the offending thing.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:31 PM
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19. Don't forget...
...overthrow the government which allowed its manufacture, importation, sales and/or licensing/registration.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:35 PM
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20. You owe me an irony meter. nt
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:39 PM
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21. As me Irish mum said...
...I'd rather owe it to you than cheat you out of it. :)
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:31 PM
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27. LOL Actually, given the quality of the irony,
I probably owe you.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:36 PM
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28. Trade you for...
...lightly used sarcasm scale. ;)

From the Irish:
May those that love us, love us.
For those that don’t love us,
May God turn their hearts.
And if he doesn’t turn their hearts,
May he turn their ankles,
So we’ll know them by their limping.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:20 PM
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36. You ALL owe me a new keyboard for laughing while reading
and drinking a soda at the same time.

:rofl:
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 04:39 PM
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22. oops. wrong spot
Edited on Wed Jun-01-11 04:41 PM by rrneck
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:12 PM
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33. TESTIFY BROTHER, NOT ENOUGH UNEMPLOYMENT IN THIS COUNTRY AS IT IS!
I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:14 PM
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34. Under what law? What crimes were broken?
He allegedly pointed a gun. Until he is convicted he is an innocent man. That according to one of your anti breatheren here on this board.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 02:43 PM
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14. wouldn't this be more appropriate in the California forum?
:shrug:
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 03:38 PM
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16. So what? N/T
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:17 PM
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26. Interesting; Google maps doesn't show any "day care centers" at that location
So we're not talking an established outfit like a Kindercare or La Petite Academy, but rather, a day care run out of a private residence in a residential neighborhood. In this case, said day care was next to another private residence inhabited by someone who owned a gun collection. So what? Are you suggesting that we prohibit people from performing perfectly legal activities on their own property because someone opened a day care next door?

Insofar as we can detect a problem here, it's in the resident getting into a fight with a customer of the day care and pulling a gun in the process. The number of guns he kept in the house are irrelevant to that; what matters is that he had one handgun on his person.

There's also little information about the actual altercation. Given that we're talking about a day care in a private residence, rather than in a purpose-built building, I think it's highly likely it had something to do with the customer bothering the neighbor, such as parking blocking the neighbor's driveway. Yes, I know that's nothing to pull a gun over, but we don't know how the argument developed up to the point the neighbor tried to pull the gun.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:08 PM
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32. Again a drive-by news story with no firearms policy statement
And having those not so heavy weapons was no crime. I have more not so heavy weapons than that and am breaking no crimes.
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