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Drew Richards Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 04:28 PM
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IF you have to bring a gun to a protest....You have already lost...


Sorry got tired of having to reply same answer to so many threads....figured this is easier :)

So if you are one of those individuals asking that question, perhaps you should be asking, why am I not willing to be involved in these protests if I honestly believe in them...
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 04:32 PM
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1. In some cases the bringing of the firearm is the form of protest
Edited on Wed Oct-19-11 04:34 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:14 PM
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2. Bringing a firearm to a "protest" is illegal in many states
Namely, it is a crime. Even if you have a carry permit, a political assembly is one place you can't carry.

So better check your state statutes if you are foolish enough to carry a firearm in a crowd.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:21 PM
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3. Yeah, because limits on the number of Civil Rights one can exercise simultaineously...
is probably a great idea.

Did I get that right?
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 07:55 PM
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8. As long as it's only the rights important to "those people."
Amirite?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 06:32 PM
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7. Really, name some...
Did you even read the link?
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:42 PM
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10. Maryland, Montana, Oregon, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi,
Edited on Wed Oct-19-11 10:45 PM by soryang
Pennsylvania (Phil). I didn't look at all the states, the illegality arises in most cases I saw from municipal or county ordinance permitted by state statute or constitution, or it may arise circumstantially because the grounds appurtenant to public buildings or facilities are included. Some states have laws prohibiting firearms possession in state parks and recreational areas including the right of ways. If you do it, you need to do your legal research. I don't get nor give legal advice from places like this.

If you think it's a good idea, knock yourself out. I'd consult a good local criminal defense attorney if I intended to carry out such a hare brained plan.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:48 AM
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12. Maryland isn't a Right To Carry state
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:10 AM
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16. They are indeed based on location and have nothing to do with it being a politcal demonstration
which was your original claim.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:47 PM
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22. You may not be completely correct...
While most states do NOT allow open-carry (I assume that is what the OP has in mind; I mean, who cares if you carry-concealed?). But there is no law which prevents one from openly-carrying at a demonstration as long as he/she is not brandishing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe I am correct in saying that concealed-carry laws do not prevent one from attending a rally, even when armed. Thanks for bringing this up.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 05:32 PM
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4. Go prepared...
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Oneka Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 06:01 PM
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5. Or maybe thier strategy is working as planned.
these protests have allready goaded the legislature to "overreach" and ban the open carry of unloaded handguns.

Legislation was sparked by the growing "open carry" protest movement, which encourages participants to display their guns to show opposition to gun-control laws.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2011/04/open-carry-supporters-to-rally.html


Most likely the legislature will enact a ban on open carry of unloaded long guns very soon as well.

This legislation may indirectly usher in "shall issue" conceal carry permitting throughout California. Law suits are allready pending to that end.

One such suit was just recently halted by a judge on grounds that California allowed open carry of hand guns. The ban going into effect in January will make that particular judges reasoning, for halting the lawsuit,a moot point.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 06:14 PM
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6. If you talk at a protest
you have already lost, Constitutional rights are a bit ephemeral for you aren't they?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:35 PM
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9. Same goes for bringing a puppet.
It's an automatic fail.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 11:12 PM
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11. If you've got your message down pat, know the material, and can speak on your feet
do it. You're just about guaranteed to get a minute worth of media attention, tell them you brought it without any ammo, just to have a moment to speak to them just like the teabaggers did protesting and rallying against obama during the campaign.

And then proceed to your talking points and get the reporter to engage with questions. Blam, you got your message out.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:50 AM
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13. Cops are already beating UNARMED people. What would they do to ARMED people?
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:25 AM
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14. If they were smart....
they would be very polite.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 10:19 AM
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15. Set themselves up for even bigger law suits? n/t
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:12 AM
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17. I have to wonder what would happen if OWS protestors started wearing holsters
Its a tactic being used on some campuses with good effect.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 12:13 PM
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18. Something tells me if I worn a holster to Occupy Seattle, I'd have a nightstick against my throat
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 12:26 PM
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19. Why?
A holster is nothing but a belt pouch.

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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:15 PM
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27. Because they are beating UNARMED people
Someone with a holster?

"Where the fuck is your goddamned gun?! Where the fuck is it?!"
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:51 PM
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23. At the OccupyAustin demo I attended, a few folks wore...
t-shirts with firearms emblazoned on them. Texas does not permit open-carry; these folks could have carried concealed, if properly licensed.
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abogado Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 01:25 PM
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20. If you have retained the right to do it, you continue to win.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:44 PM
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21. "Lost?" Answer: Most states (including Texas) don't allow for open-carry. OK? nt
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 02:52 PM
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24. Hate to correct you....
MOST states do allow for open carry. Texas is actually an oddity.

http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 03:40 PM
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25. Thanks for the correction. I'm a reasonable man. nt
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 04:14 PM
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26. No problem.
OC is one of those things a lot of people, even those really into gun rights, misunderstand. Most people in the US are shocked to find out TX is not an open carry state for example, and even more surprised to find out CA used to be.

With luck, TX is going to fix that little oversight in our next legislative session.
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Simo 1939_1940 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 12:49 AM
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28. Along similar lines, I imagine that many pro-restrictionists
would be amazed to learn that a good number of blue states became shall issue with regard to concealed carry long before Texas adopted the law.
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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 10:26 AM
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29. Captain John Parker, leave that musket at home!
By standing on Lexington green with a musket, you have already lost.

Pitcairn, you may fire when ready.

No guns in public for 'regular people'? What an insult to Lexington and to this most public demonstration of American freedom.
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