Why gun totin' Freepers have as much to fear from Bush as DUers

History, my friends, history is the reason.

Let's look at Germany during the 30's for the ultimate lesson on how right wing despots react to their power gains.

When you look back, Hitler came to power largely on the thuggish behavior of the brownshirted SA. This was his essential power base to formulate his assent. Without the SA in the streets, Hitler could have never come to power.

So what became of the SA? They were eliminated during the Night of the Long Knives and were ultimately replaced by the SS. The SA had come to the end of their usefulness. The NAzi regime was firmly ensconced as the power base, Hitler had achieved all of the necessary despotic power, and the demands of the SA did not mesh with the plans of the Nazi power elite. Remember as well, the purging of the SA occurred long before the Liberals, Jews, and others on the Left were put into the camps.

Looking to the street warriors for Bush, it's the NRA by and large. When Bush has consolidated the power he needs to complete a despotic takeover, the guns will have to go. In the end, the advocates for the Second Amendment will be the first victims of despotic Republican rule in America. In fact, those on the left who would find their way into the camps of a right wing American despot will live to see the purging of the rightwing Second Amendment advocates. That will be the final warning sign, when the gun advocates are rounded up.

So watch my friends. A second term for Bush will see the gun advocates going down very quickly. When you see that happening, all hope of fighting the regime will be over and it will be time to tuck tail and run.

(but then, how will they listen to Herr Rush?)

Just open your window. He's loud enough that you can hear him from most anywhere....unfortunately.

It would indeed be an excellent bit of divine retribution if last he went for the NRA and their weapon-hoarding racist fellow travellers and there was nobody left to say anything ...

(I mean, I wouldn't exactly call the RKBAers the "first" of his victims, in your scenario; there have been quite a few already.)

With apologies to Bonhoeffer, or whoever actually first said it all, of course.

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Then they came for the Muslims

Then Jackson-Lee

Or something like that.

people vote for Republicans based on the gun issue (or at all for that matter). What else can it be but ignorance and stupidity?

I know of very few people who voted FOR Bush. They did vote against national FOID cards.

Repubs have a great history of Firearms Owner Praotection (Act) don't they?

It's an issue that moderation nationally will pay the greatest dividends. Most gun owners are not going to vote for the Repubs based on that issue, unless the Democratic message is extreme to them. Like a voter from NJ, where hollow point bullets are illegal, would not see the problem with a federal law affecting ammo, someone from a state with a less restrictive law, would reject such a law out of hand.

But your case in two words...Patriot Act.

The people's votes didn't mean squat.

http://www.wjettv.com/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=4111

Meadville area gun dealer daryl Sivik was apprehended by federal agents this morning, as heavily armed investigators raided his Williamson Road gun business in West Mead Township.

Sivik could be facing federal firearms charges in connection with Thursday’s raid. During the raid dozens of heavily armed ATF agents wearing flak jackets, helmets and carrying military style weapons swarmed the area around Sivik`s gun shop around 9:00 this morning.

State police closed the road for hundreds of yards in each direction. Dogs were also used by investigators at the scene.

Gun dealer Daryl Sivik is an outspoken critic of the federal government, and is not a stranger to controversy. He`s known to be a supporter of local militia`s and back in 1998, Sivik put an unlicensed low power pirate radio station on the air from a make shift studio on his property. The content can be described as extremely right wing. Sivik also leads an annual UN flag burning ceremony in downtown Meadville to protest US involvement in the United Nations.

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Let's see: Gun Dealer, supporter of local militias, general law breaker from his low powered radio station, burns UN flags, also the radios right wing content.

I can see a bunch of NRA types willingly handing over their guns to BushCo..... NOT!!!

I don't have any reason to believe these people operate on trusting who's in office. Their main objective is to keep and bear arms for the very reason of ensuring that a dictatorship doesn't take place. Constitutionally, that's what the founding father's intended.

Any administration, R or D (or any other), ever tries to disarm the people, there's going to be major blood in the streets. I, for one, would gladly join the ranks of those who refuse to be disarmed.

When they finally decide to confiscate guns, most people are going to turn them in. A few will bury them away somewhere in the hopes of fighting for freedom someday. A few will resist and be killed bloodily to the cheers of "they deserved it for breaking the law" from people in both parties and some libertarian types too.

A good chunk of the NRA types, as you call them, are still operating under the assumption that the Republicans are pro-gun. You think they would have figured things out under Reagan and Bush I, but maybe that's expecting too much.

Their main objective isn't so much keeping and bearing arms as keeping what little left they have of the right. That's why you'll see wide support among most pro-gunners for letting the assault weapons ban sunset. Do you see the NRA or most pro-gunners calling for the repeal of all the other federal legislation? No. Some of them don't bother because they know it's hopeless. Some don't want to appear to be too extreme. The rest of them agree with all of that legislation. To quote a Republican, NRA member acquaintance of mine "We can't let regular people own machine guns. There'd be chaos."

>When they finally decide to confiscate guns, most people are going to turn them in.

That's where we differ. I don't believe that. History has shown the results of that foolishness.

Of course, al lot of that has to do with time. Over time, people tend to forget what has been done in the past, so who can say the attitude 75-100 years from now. Today, so soon after WW2 and the fall of the Societ Bloc, I don't see it happeneing.

Ans while many pro-gun people are R's, the gun enthusiasts I know also realize that the tables could turn one day.

But no one can predit the future.

If people ever actually learned from history I might agree with you. We aren't talking about an America here where a little 3% tax on tea is going to seriously piss some people off. We're talking about the USA, where kids are taught their country is free by definition and no matter what it does it's still a free country. Patriot Act? NFA, GCA, FOPA? Warantless Searches? Nope. Still a free country. You'll even have people say the US can't possibly be a police state simply because you can still ask the question "Is the US a police state?"

No. The vast majority of gun owners will turn their guns in if ordered to. Sure there are those who talk the talk about "when they come for my guns" now, but when push comes to shove, they'll all turn theirs in. No one wants the ATF or FBI laying siege to their house and burning them out if they don't surrender. These people have bills to pay and kids to feed. No one wants to martyr themselves for a cause no one cares about.

The funniest part is that, despite all the cries about registration, they won't even need to register guns to do it. People will obey the law, no matter how unjust and stupid it is. The US is a free country after all.

Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. I'll tell you what, if I'm wrong and gun owners start knocking off feds left and right when they start to confiscate guns, I'll owe you a coke.