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LibLabUK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:24 AM Original message |
Poll question: Would you hand in your firearms? |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is this an attempt to dispel the notion of |
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LibLabUK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Not at all.. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Not at all |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Except that it's a made-up right. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. You're barking up the wrong tree as far as I'm concerned |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. So where does it come from? Your imagination? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It comes from the fact that we are independent, free people |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Not over my head at all. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. If you insist on a citation then refer to my favorite Amendment |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. But this gets us nowhere |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Under the US system society can only restristrict behavior |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Yes I agree with point one |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. That just isn't so. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You are mistaken again |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. The courts have decided, are deciding, or will decide all the exceptions |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. I can't believe what I'm reading here |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #67 |
96. So individual RKBA is equivalent to the right to eat a Twinkie? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Let us know when the Twinkie ban gets enacted |
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skippythwndrdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
130. A twinkie ban just could happen! |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Refer to the original post. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. I cannot honestly answer LibLabUK's question |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You know slack, we are about to agree on something |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. I agree, the questions way to broad. |
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Bill ClintonII (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 04:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
178. Yes, just like making up... |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #178 |
221. er...i hope the RKBAers don't start using your arguments... |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Not exactly |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 09:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Miller was the watershed case. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Well that is convenient, if not consistent |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Miller is backed up by a large number of subsequent cases. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. How could Bush v Gore be cited? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. Bush v. Gore actually can't be used as a precedent. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Then why did you bring it up? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
99. I didn't bring up Bush v. Gore - you did. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #99 |
110. Lets back up |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:02 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Goju, goju, goju. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Well, I wasnt going to bring up dishonesty but.. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #115 |
138. Please reread the title of your own post #66. |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #138 |
148. And do you judge a book by its cover too? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. So why did you bring up Bush v. Gore in the first place? |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #149 |
161. You are convincing me... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #161 |
182. Your argument makes no sense. |
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Bill ClintonII (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 05:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
180. Yes, the idea of a pre-existing right makes sense, especially if... |
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Bill ClintonII (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 04:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
179. Yet, the right to keep and bear arms existed and still exists... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #179 |
192. And yet another RKBAer earns his tombstone. |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. The Constitution can be changed, but good luck changing |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. They are amendments though, and as such can technically be |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. It doesn't matter. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I know but it would seem to me cleaner |
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wmenorr67 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. If the 2nd |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Care to explain your reasoning? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. US courts have consistently ruled otherwise. /nt |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. It is my understanding that they could be changed, but this would |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Turning back from what? |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Well, if the bar were lowered it would be a lot easier to get |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I like to update my social rulebook is all |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Same here. I think privacy rights are going to be where the |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. That is true |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I'm not sure if many citizens even know what the Bill of Rights |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Or WHEN they were drafted and ratified!!! |
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sharkman0330 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Hell no, I wouldn't turn them in |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. US v. Miller has always been cited in support of gun control restrictions |
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Beren (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Irrelevant |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Try to remember that Miller is not an isolated case. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
69. Is the Supreme Court's definition of "such forces" an irrelevant detail? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
101. I feel comfortable in saying that King Alfred's army is irrelevant, yes. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:59 AM Response to Reply #101 |
123. Reinhardt in Silveira thought "such forces" so "irrelevant" that he ... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #123 |
139. That must be why Silveira was overturned on appeal. Oh, wait, it wasn't. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. Reinhardt dirtied himself with his own dishonesty, and I can certainly |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #151 |
183. Because he didn't lie and he wasn't dishonest, |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #183 |
196. Who can argue with such a reasoned response ? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #196 |
201. Yes, yes, and your third question is fallacious. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. All you do is repeat. Can you show how third question is fallacious? n/t |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. Just to begin with, you neither explain it nor support it. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 06:33 AM Response to Reply #209 |
225. It should be obvious that if "keep" means to "possess" arms |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. Fantasy of yours? |
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LibLabUK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Errr. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. I'm sure slaveholders were similarly smug in the 1840s and 1850s. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. Pol Pot showed his people your idea of "progress" |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. You're dead wrong about Hitler. |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Leave it to anti-freedom gun grabbers to defend Hitler and PolPot |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
103. NOT defending Hitler. That remark was as clever as it was honest. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #132 |
140. Hitler herded the Jews and "other groups he opposed" into |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #140 |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Try a google search Pol pot +Gun control |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:13 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Funny thing is, the US spent most of the 80s supporting Pol Pot |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. How much did Sarah Brady send? |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I suspect very little |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:58 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Well he was a gun grabber after all. (nt) |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:04 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. LOL I knew you would say that! n/t |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:06 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Well he was. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:08 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Half the country still thinks he was good for the economy |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:09 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. That's because he was |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:13 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Nah. Best actor ever was Comical Ali n/t |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:18 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Not even close. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:23 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. LOL true n/t |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:33 AM Response to Reply #64 |
104. Yeah, because U.S, Cambodia, same thing, right? |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. Especially since the slavers were so dead set against allowing |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:34 AM Response to Reply #75 |
105. But they sure held on to their own guns. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
150. The Statists and Slavers have always denied the people their arms |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #150 |
184. Calling names is a piss-poor argument. /nt |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #184 |
199. You brought up the slaveholders, or did you forget that? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. Oh, I see. You think you're right, so that proves it. |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
174. the hitler reference is bullshit |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Hitler wasn't quoted in this thread. (nt) |
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Pert_UK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
20. I've handed in an airpistol, flicknife and survival knife.... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Boy you really hate your freedom, don't you? n/t |
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Pert_UK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I'm assuming that was sarcasm.... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Of course it was mate n/t |
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Pert_UK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. ...and I'm assuming that wasn't.... |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. I think you are teasing us. :) |
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Pert_UK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Nope....I have actually handed these things in. |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Did you get any compensation? |
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Pert_UK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 04:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
94. No, for a number of reasons......... |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
131. Oh I was attacking. |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #131 |
156. should have read "wasnt attacking" |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:39 AM Response to Reply #156 |
193. Why? You were right the first time. |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
62. Personally... |
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Pert_UK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:56 AM Response to Reply #62 |
93. Well it depends... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Would you like some tin foil to go with that order? |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'd turn in everything I bought from |
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FatSlob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
51. I would not. |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
52. No |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
53. Turn What in? |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Yeah, I lost my firearms duck hunting last fall..... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. If the government ever did call for general confiscation, |
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CarinKaryn (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Thanks for the admission that you'd lie and violate the law... |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Is a progressive some one who marches in lockstep with legal authority no |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #73 |
106. No, but gun control is progressive. |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #106 |
112. In my opinion... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Millions of people are quite secure without guns. |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Just a cursory study of these countries would show that the |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #119 |
141. Their murder rate is a third of ours or less, per capita. |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #141 |
163. And why is their murder rate so low. That is the question we |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Australia's murder rate has been consistently about 1/4 of the US rate |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #164 |
186. Australian homicides peaked in 1988, went down after that. |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:42 PM Response to Reply #186 |
222. I think information from a source that is a little more on the |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #163 |
185. Yes, what's the difference, other than their gun control laws? /nt |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #185 |
223. There is plenty of good information online about Australia. |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
136. Security |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. What cultural factors? |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #142 |
165. "More like" the US might be correct, "comparable" is not |
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LibLabUK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Hmm |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #166 |
169. Wow, a news story! |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #169 |
187. So what you're saying |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #187 |
226. Yes |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #106 |
116. I would agree that most gun control advocates would fall into |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #106 |
118. Great advertising slogans but no facts to back them up |
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LibLabUK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Hmmm.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:46 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I said libertarian not Libertarian |
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LibLabUK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I'm aware that there's supposed to be a distinction.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I consider myself libertarian on personal freedom |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #106 |
160. Gun control to a point is progressive, but lying to steal away the |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #160 |
188. Your saying so doesn't make it so. /nt |
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goju (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Do you NOT believe in.. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. At least I am honest about it. |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. damn those civil rights activists... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. As I posted somewhere else... |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:38 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. rights... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 03:03 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Indeed I am |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #80 |
107. US courts have consistently ruled |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:44 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. owning a gun is a civil right |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #82 |
108. US courts have consistently ruled |
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thomas82 (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
135. The courts are wrong |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #135 |
143. Everyone is out of step but me. /nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Deleted message |
Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #143 |
154. No you have people who walk in lock step with you. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #154 |
194. That's funny. Nobody marches in formation like you NRA types. |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #79 |
98. Choices |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #98 |
109. US courts have consistently ruled |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 10:26 AM Response to Reply #79 |
117. I would have to say that one's practice of religion certainly does |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #72 |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
100. He didn't say that... |
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thomas82 (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
134. Last I heard |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #134 |
145. Yes, that's how democracy works. |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #145 |
167. Actually when the rights of others are trampled |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:32 AM Response to Reply #167 |
189. But you're talking about a made-up right. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 12:09 PM Response to Reply #189 |
200. Let's be clear, when was this right "made-up" in your opinion? n/t |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Your side continues to make it up even as I write this post. /nt |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #203 |
207. In other words, ambiguity favors your argument. You will not clarify |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. "Made-up" and "imaginary" are synonymous. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #210 |
213. So when was it first "Imagined" in you opinion? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. I keep asking because I know that you will keep dodging, this will |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. What you call "the historic record" has no authority in law. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. You dodged because you know the historical record does not support |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. The only question is the question of law. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-04 06:09 AM Response to Reply #218 |
224. Dragged into arguments that you begin by asserting that the |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
102. RKBA is an inalienable civil right |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. Saying it's so doesn't make it so. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #111 |
124. Please consider the following |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Thats just "irrelevant verbiage" . Don't you know |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Your comment is your opinion |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #128 |
153. Quess I shoulda used a sarcasm icon, actually I was just anticipating |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #153 |
162. I understand, have a nice day. |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #124 |
137. Ohio |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #137 |
159. I understand. I used the 1802 constitution and Ohio changed it in 1851 |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
144. Please cite a court case |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. It's difficult to prove a negative, so why don't you cite a court case |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #157 |
191. I don't have to. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #144 |
158. Why, US v. Miller considered the states RKBA clauses... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:34 AM Response to Reply #158 |
190. Once again, state constitutions have little impact on the law. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #190 |
197. Once again, we were talking about precedents that took into |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. Verbiage in a state constitution is not a precent. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:29 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. The Miller decision is precedent. Got it so far? The Supreme Court... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #208 |
211. Miller considered a lot of things, including King Alfred's army. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. The following annotations discuss SCOTUS' limited history |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #211 |
219. The Supreme Court in Miller did look at the various state constitutions |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #111 |
220. lol. well said. |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
127. what's a "yellow dog" democrat? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. A Yellow dog Democrat |
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thomas82 (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
133. Turn in my firearms hmmm |
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Kenny the Croat (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-04 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
155. Heck no |
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anonymous44 (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
168. Absolutely Not |
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gatlingforme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-04 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
170. Yeah, if the non gun owners were willing to put a micro chip in their |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
171. they can have my guns when they pull them from my cold, dead hands. |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Well, that is interesting |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. i've read about the racist conservative start of the pro-gun movement |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Yeah right |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Keep reading... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #177 |
195. And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Nor are men angels, they have never been and never will be. There... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #198 |
205. Once again, your saying so doesn't make it so. /nt |
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