If Kerry wins, will we finally aprove the UN gun ban?

The one Ms Peters was talking about? There's a chance the Senate will be democrat too, so if Kerry holds true to his word of working with the world, we could finally get this passed right? In 2002 the Bush admin didn't ratify it!

you have been listening to too many Republican talking points,Republicans always try to define Democrats saying we are anti gun,we are not we are the real defenders of the Constitution we would never ban guns ever.

we haven't tried in over 200 years and we are not gonna start now,what we are for is Gun crime control and gun safety thats it.Democrats know that its not guns that are really the killers its the Fear of the people that steal them or own them,along with there lack of responsibility.Watch Micheal Moore's movie Bowling for columbine and you will understand the real stance the democrats have with guns.

I hope Kerry keeps his word to work with the UN and the world.

But we are not going to change our Constitution to do it!Republicans are the only ones blurring the lines in the constitution with the separation of church and state,also trying to change the Constitution to ban gay marriage when in 50 years no ones gonna give a shit anyway

50 years ago a black man could not eat in a white restaurant in the south,now no one even cares if the restaurant is owned by a black man,people become tolerant and educated over time we are not going to let Moran's spread intolerance - intelligence wins in the end.

Believes in Gun control. Today he talked about how the AWB must have been renewed. BUSH DID NOT TO ANYTHING TO RENEW IT! He also supports banning handguns and rifles not used for hunting. It's a start atleast, maybe with a democrat senate we can go after the pumps and levers.

wonder why Democrats get labelled as anti-gun. Here we have someone hoping to ban pumps and lever actions. Shall we roll into bolt actions, falling blocks, single shot breaks, inline and muzzleloading black powder as well as revolvers?

As if I am a minority. The world agrees with me. The UN Agrees with me. And a lot of democrats too.

See, the problem is after 1994 alot of dems are afraid to piss off the NRA, man, is the democratic party that weak? CERTAINLY NOT!

The reason why nothing gets done is people like you. We must stand together as democrats against guns. With a united front, we can keep these monsters off our streets.

Bolts and pumps can be fired almost as fast as a semi-auto. You can fire a bullet per second! A BULLET PER SECOND! In one minute you can kill an entire small town!

I hate it when you act as if John Kerry is some gun-nut. He's smart, he knows we only need hunting rifles, and for hunting you only need single shot rifles. I don't want to ban all guns, you can have bolt-action rifles!!!! That's enough to plink and hunt with. Your rights will not be violated!!

A rats ass about the NRA being angry at us because we are never going to allow machine guns in the hands of people who have not been reviewed by the FBI for that reason alone the NRA will never,ever support Democrats,they will always be against us,we really don't care about there support. you really should watch Bowling for Columbine then you will understand that its not the hand guns or the rifles.

"I don't want to ban all guns,
you can have bolt-action rifles!!!!
That's enough to plink and hunt with."

Hmmmm. "Plink", eh? I must say that before I visited this forum, I'd never heard or read the word, myself. I've got a certificate recognizing my contribution to the successful passage of the 1995 Canadian firearms legislation (financial support only, I'm afraid, other than a my car wearing a supportive bumper sticker, which I at least didn't have to worry about getting me shot, up here ...), but I was just so uneducated.

I still haven't had any occasion to actually use the word.

But allow me to express my admiration for your mastery of the vernacular lexicon of the firearms fan, despite your distaste for the objects with which it deals!

"Some people around here
wonder why Democrats get labelled as anti-gun."

... some people wonder why other people label some other people anti-gun, or Democrats ...

"Here we have someone hoping to ban pumps and lever actions."

D'ya think?

be reading Republican talking points,John Kerry Gun control policy is yes to extend the assault rifle ban and to have child safety locks on hand guns but he does not want to ban hand guns or rifles thats a Republican definition of John Kerry you are spouting.

You listen to Republicans to much,there game plan has always been to define Democrats but the problem with that is they Lie!there is in all fairness a very small % of extreme left that want to ban rifles but they do not repesent the democratic partys view or platform.

saying this % speaks for the party is like saying the KKK speaks for the Republicans.

The sportsman's bill of rights clearly states the right to own RIFLES and SHOTGUNS, nothing else. So he will get rid of the handguns and of the assault semi-auto rifles. That's a good start! However, I believe if we unite as democrats, and we win the senate, we can go further. But handguns and semi-auto military rifles are a good start.

Atleast we know for sure the AWB would be back under Kerry, and we'd finally have locks! I Mean, locks are so common sense, why is this even an issue?

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are not for changing the Constitution,i am sorry but your argument falls on deaf ears,and every time you buy something more times then not the company that made that product gives money to the Republican party.I am not a member of the NRA i never will be,also I don't buy Guns but my father does and i will never be against someones constitutional right never!

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have the right to take it away if the Constitution allows it,sorry but this is America, but with that said you also have your right to say and do and protest against what you feel is right,If you are indeed a Democrat I am sorry to have called you a Republican,I also Respect your right to disagree but Removing guns is not the party platform.It just isn't.

Kerry supports the AWB, is that not a measure that makes guns that are legal now, ilegal? The version that was attached to the law-suit bill was even more sweeping that the 1994 gun ban, but it was defeated.

There's clear evidence that banning guns is consistent with democrat values. I mean, you do atleast support the AWB, right? Kerry CLEARLY spoke in favor of banning those guns tonight. So don't say we believe in unregulated guns, we want to ban guns. To some that's a dirty word cause they're afraid too sound too liberal, but fuck that. Democrats should be proud of taking the world's side and peace's side.

In support of the Second Amendment.

I also thought Kerry proclaimed to be a gun owner.

Do you think implying that gun owners are not real Democrats helps Senator Kerry?

Have you read the platform?

I hope we don't have alot of help like this.

Where he's said the Second Amendment includes Assault Weapons and handguns? He always says rifles and shotguns for hunting. ALWAYS! He supports the AWB and said that he been president he would have pushed for the AWB.

or did someone else claim we ban lever action rifles?

Clearly not an "Assault Weapon" under the definition of current proposals.

Wants to ban Assault weapons and handguns, I just said that's a good start. My ultimate goal would be to add levers and pumps, but we'd need a really liberal congress for that. Or the UN Ban =)

A link to your handgun claim or is that ...must obey DU rules

I am proud of the name Liberal,you don't even know why we support the assault weapons ban do you?Police and law enforcement have a job to do,it is to protect your ass!it is difficult for them to do that when criminals have guns that are far Superior then theres,

when the assault weapon ban passed 10,000 less Americans died from gun related deaths a year 10,000! thats reason enough for me to extend that ban.there is a delicate balance,you have to weigh the safety of the public with the liberty of the public,everything is not black and white.

criminals don't go and buy these guns from gun stores,they steal them from gun owners,or buy them from people that stole them from gun owners,In Canada the people have as many guns per person as we do,but there gun murder rate is very low,less then 300 a year on avg
ours is over 10,000,the guns are not the problem.as a American you have the right to bear arms and defend yourself,and you always will.

You have to stop thinking in black in white when everything is grey.

It makes certain features on certain rifles illegal, not the rifle themselves. Bayonet lugs, flash suppresors and collapsable stocks being the three items most often removed. Functionally, the rifle remains the same in every other respect.

"Go to John Kerry's website."

I did.

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/sportsmen/

"The sportsman's bill of rights clearly states the right to own RIFLES and SHOTGUNS, nothing else."

Oh dear.

A Kerry-Edwards administration will create a Sportsmen’s Bill of Rights with America’s sportsmen and sportswomen to ensure that the basic rights of all Americans to legally and safely hunt and fish are protected. Our Sportsman’s Bill of Rights contains six rights:

The Right to Own Firearms ...

Nowhere in the "Sportsmen's Bill of Rights", or anywhere else on that page, or in the extended version of the Kerry message, do I even see the words "rifles" or "shotguns".

Do you need new specs? Or did your memory just fail you? Or ...?

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/sportsmen/billofrights.html

The Right to Own Firearms

John Kerry and John Edwards will always support the Second Amendment right of law-abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms, such as rifles and shotguns, including semi-automatic firearms used by hunters and sportsmen across this country. Gun rights are fundamental for the sport of hunting, and they will vigorously support those rights as president.

Like President Bush, and sportsmen and law enforcement officers across this nation, John Kerry and John Edwards also support the extension of the current assault weapons ban.

Your arguments are sophomoric at best, grossly uninformed at worst. Read the platform, then come back and argue your point(s).

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, agreeing with and following the majority of UN decisions does not entail tailoring your domestic political decisions to every whim expressed by every UN representative.........

However, I'm sure your non-question will start a variety of hilarious arguments, so at least it has merit in that respect.

I believe Bill Clinton already told the UN that we would not participate in "global" gun laws.

There's a chance the Senate will be democrat too...

The proper adjective is "Democratic", not "democrat".

what this "UN gun ban" is.

Never heard of it, myself. Can you point me to something on point? A General Assembly resolution, an international convention or draft convention, even some kind of official UN discussion paper?

While you're at it, can you provide some source for this "<John Kerry> also supports banning handguns" business? I mean, I'm not sure why he'd be wanting to require that handguns be sold with safety locks if he was just gonna ban 'em.

The saying about "with friends like these ..." comes to mind all unbidden.

As do certain images ...


http://www.colin.cc.ms.us/finearts/paul_patterson.htm

We actually agree within a Gungeon thread! It's a miracle, Ma!

I don't see this

or this

or this

leaving my hip anytime soon if Kerry's elected.

He's no idiot.

I just received a flyer with three pictures of Kerry holding a shotgun, one of which has him admiring a dead pheasant. The flyer specifically makes that connection between environmental issues, hunting and, by implication at least, gun rights.

"John Kerry will protect our rights and our wildlife habitats."

That doesn't sound like the campaign of someone eager to restrict gun ownership or let the UN set our domestic policy.

Assuming you are not a troll please do Kerry a favor and stop repeating right wing talking points.