So My Dad And I Are Gonna Buy A .22 Rifle

whatever that is.

We have deer destroying not only our landscape but also my community sized vegetable garden. They have continously gotten through the fences and netting we put up.

This place is too big for spraying Deer Repellant over everything... and you can't use that crap on food.

They are so freaking tame we can get within 10 feet of them. They don't even move when you holler and throw stones... they just kinda laugh at you.

Dad says a .22 (whatever that is) won't kill them... it'll just burn their asses, if that's what you're aiming for.

I personally can only imagine aiming for the ground behind the animals and hope to scare them off.

So I can't believe we're getting a gun!

It sucks the Town doesn't take responsiblity for having a hunt to cull these beasts.

Some places around here have paid hunters who take X amount out every year.

when regan was shot they couldent even find the wound, too bad they did

their vitals or legs?

From infection.

albiet from a pretty decent range and damed if that thing diddent just bounce off me

At one time, shooting deer in the gut with .22's so they would die off property.

The game wardens put a stop to that.

The .22 I got hit with required surgery of a sort. Thankfully, it was in my leg.

Just like that guy the farmer in Derbyshire shot.

Somebody'd better tell our colleague from that thread about this amazing idea that it is possible to fire a firearm at someone, in some circumstances, and not actually be intending, or remotely likely, to kill him/her.

This would appear to be news to some people, even those who claim to have expertise in every firearm known to ... what was it ... man.

Problem solved(i think, i live in NYC) :)

But some deer aren't afraid of them.

live with them. filling them full of .22 rounds is just torment.

we are a small family business. Just my Dad & me.

We just don't have time to redo the huge amount of netting around the garden, spraying 2 acres worth of landscaping etc.

And we have Deer Resistant stuff planted around too!

The veggie garden is where we get a lot of our produce.

We have a high deer population here. I live on the edge of a game preserve now, and I'll see them in my living room from eight or ten feet away. My cat stops and hisses and they look and chew.

It's funny.

Don't expect to be able to defend your home from a mob of freepers with it, though. I think they carry shotguns and nooses, but don't quote me on that.

I know for sure it keeps rabbits away. You can get it from the place you get your hair cut for free.

Infections can lead to a slow, agonizing death for the deer. A real sportsman shoots an animal for the quick, clean kill.

Besides, shooting deer out of season could get you in a peck of trouble.

Try pissing arounf the property a lot. I ain't kidding.

You run a risk of hitting and wounding the deer.

If you want to just scare them use a 12-gauge shotgun with exploding "bird scare bomb" loads.

If you want to kill the deer use a rifle with sufficient power for a clean kill. Nothing less than a 30-30 Winchester.

Please check your state and local laws before discharging any kind of firearm even on your own property. Here in California it's illegal to shoot within 1/2 mile of any public highway. Noise ordinances may also apply.

And PLEASE make sure you have a safe backdrop before shooting.

I am so freaking glad I postd this and you gave this advice.

THIS sounds like a GREAT IDEA!!!!

Big wet kiss!!!!

Or just blanks. A .22 slug on a deer won't kill it, but it can definitely leave it crippled. That would be cruel and might get you in trouble with the game wardens.

I know NOTHING about guns and bullets.

But we need to put fear of MAN into these beasts.

There are too many and with continued development there isn't enough room anymore.

But it gets washed away in the rain.

no one around here this time of year...

although I guess the old "chamber pot method" might work...


Also, there are dozens of deer out here.

Lots of houses going up... lots of habitat being destroyed.

1) a .22 WILL kill a deer-after several days of torment and bleeding to death. Don't do that. It's ugly.
2) I can't believe you live in a town that will allow you to shoot off any firearm in in corporate limits.
Talk to your local DNR or Fish and Game. They will surely have a deer biologist that can give you some help.

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there are better ways than giving some of them infections that will *slowly* kill them.

if you feel you need to use a firearm, just get a 12, or 20 gauge shotgun and fire some steel shot into the ground. it'll make a hell of a lot more impressive noise than a .22 rifle

such great advice!!!!!!

Now I feel better about this.

or you'll end up hurting someone.

here most days. This time of year, city people are in the city.

Sorry, but there's just so much wrong with this 'plan' I don't know where to begin. First, you pick up a firearm and shoot at deer, it's considered hunting. He better have a hunting license. Then most states prohibit the use of rimfire ammunition when deer hunting, and usually specifically prohibit the use of .22.

No rat shot, no .22 - if you're going to shoot at an animal, you need to kill it as quickly as possible, not injure it so it runs off and dies an agonizing death.

* edited to remove mean-spirited remarks...

Sorry, but having hunted and having seen really dangerous and bad hunters who've left animals to suffer needlessly, I have a knee-jerk reaction to this sort of thing. I hope you can talk to your dad and make him understand just of bad of a plan this is, not only for the animals, but for him as well. I haven't looked up NY's hunting laws, but what he plans to do is considered poaching in most states - bad for one's legal and financial status. Urge him not to do it, and first contact the wildlife department. If he has no luck and insists on shooting, I hope he'll do it proper and legal. Most states have game donation projects that will accept game for distribution to needy families and soup-kitchen type organizations.

It's a Good Thing I posted this & Started learing about this stuff.

Perhaps that should've been stated in the opening post.

Anyway, some generous DU'ers have explained what might be better ideas.

I'm not aware of NY or local laws and ordinances that might affect the plan so I can't address that.

Here in KY, any animal can be taken at any time if it is in the act of destroying crops or livestock - or even harrassing livestock.

(Here in KY, any animal can be taken at any time if it is in the act of destroying crops or livestock - or even harrassing livestock.)

In TX you have to report to TX Parks and Wildlife first.
Local farmer shot 16 deer over a 3 day period because the were raiding his alfalfa patch. Not only was he fined 1500 per deer, for shooting out of season. He had no license, that was 350, he was also fined by the inch, for the 5 bucks he shot.
In TX, it's 100 dollars an inch for taking an illegal buck.

If you wound the animal, which is all a .22 CAN do in most cases, it will usually suffer pain from the wound which will likely get infected and cause a slow lingering painful death.

Which isn't cool, unless you're really into animal cruelty.

Fence in your yard and get a dog. No more deer problem and the dog will love you guys.

They are experts on your problem.

You might also browse some of the articles from a google search of deer repellent.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=deer+repellent&spell=1

:hi:

If you do shoot them, it will not kill them immediately (short of a direct hit in the head or something), but will make them suffer horribly. Why kill them - just control them.

For starters, nobody is going to stand guard 24x7, and eventually they are going to getcha when you are not watching.

If you can't fence them out, you need another strategy. Like deer-resistant plants in unfenced areas, and fences/screens for the stuff they like to eat.

If you feel a real need for revenge, a pellet gun won't likely penetrate, and will give you a bit of intimidation factor, but some osrt of fencing is really the only solution.

I'm surrounded by deer (despite being in an urban neighborhood) and therefore have surrounded myself with 6' wire fences.

and we can only spray so much of the landscape stuff.

There are DOZENS of small deer herds around here.

The Town of East Hampton is totally negligent. They give out permits for developing these massive mansions and there is less and less forest for the deer... so they are everywhere.

And people get into accidents with them. Some people have died.

Believe me, I have tried many, many methods.

Someone suggested 'bird scare bomb' loads... or steel shot into the ground.

Those things sound promising.

You might browse some of the articles from a google search of deer repellent.
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=deer+repellent&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images

Drill a hole through so strong smelling soap... and sting it up to where you think they are coming into your yard at...this will make them change their path...

I know of no state where a rim fire is legal for hunting deer.

(Dad says a .22 (whatever that is) won't kill them)
22 rim fires are the poachers choice. When shot in the neck, they will kill instantly.
There is a product out there that uses a ribbon coated with repellent, that seems to work very well. From the studies I've seen it only needs to be replenished about once a month.
Please dismiss all thoughts of using a 22.

- the .22 idea is a BAD one. More people seem to be murdered/killed with the "pee wee" .22lr round than any other type of ammo, so the deer has a good chance of dying if shot with one.

- I hear Irish Spring soap shavings work well at keeping deer away (the smell bothers them)

- you might be able to try the non-lethal shotgun rounds. www.ammoman.com should have the rubber buckshot, or rubber slug rounds for 12 gauge shotguns. Of course, you should check with your local laws to see if you can discharge a firearm for any purpose in your area. For instance, Arlington, VA, has an ordinance stating no-discharge except for self-defense. Montgomery County, MD, another DC suburb, has restricted areas within the county with a similar prohibtion, buth other areas in the county are good-to-go as long as certain requirements are met, like minimum distance from houses or neighboring property, etc.

- maybe try shooting clear paintballs at them with a paintball gun or slingshot? You would have to first be sure the paintball gun isn't a "firearm" under the local laws I told you about. The fish and game people might consider this "harassment," though, so check with them first.