Feinstein praises and endorses Kerry because of the assault gun ban

"The assault weapon ban will expire next year," Feinstein wrote. "We need a president who will actively urge Congress to extend it, and John Kerry will do just that."

See the thread in the poltics and campagins forum!

Can't put it clearer than that.

Not some watered down version like the 1994 ban.


Problem is people like Russ Feingold are waffling.

here's General Clark on that subject:
"If you want to fire an assault weapon," he says, "join the army."

At least Kerry and Clark won't use the Army's guns for illegal wars.

It would be MOST unfortunate if he actually said that...

"My favorite Clark riposte is on guns. He grew up hunting, in a family that had more than a dozen hunting rifles. But he's pro-gun control. "If you want to fire an assault weapon," he says, "join the army." The NRA can put that in its AK-47 and smoke it."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/08/27/if_clark_runs_all_bets_are_off/

I've heard something similar before. Let's see if I can find it....

Ah, yes. There it is.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
- Heinrich Himmler

http://www.bigeye.com/gunright.htm

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are accurate?

As for whether the Nazi said that, I'd tend to think that's RKBA horseshit.

After all, it IS the RKBA nutcases who buy all that Nazi memorabilia at gun shows...and it's not like they don't lie blatantly and frequently and make up phony quotes to suit their twisted point of view.

On the other hand, if there was anybody in America who would have Himmler's sayings memorized, it would probably be a gun nut....

for their "bogus gun control quotes debunked" section. They don't have it listed.

My interest in what Himmler said about anything is next to nil, to start with. But it sure sounds like the kind of crap the RKBA crowd makes up at the drop of a hat.

and you'll find that it FAR predates Clark's statement. Why would pro-gunners make up a quote like that BEFORE Clark made his statements??? It makes no sense at all to try and write the Himmler quote off as being made up to damage Clark, since Himmler made the statement while Clark was still a child.

"Why would pro-gunners make up a quote like that"
Maybe for the same reason they pretend Mary Rosh is a scientist?
Maybe for the same reason they pretend Hitler invented gun control?
Maybe for the same reason they pretend Sarah Brady boasted about socialist victory?
Maybe for the same reason they pretend "unorganized" is synonymous with "well regulated?"
Maybe for the same reason they pretend gun control laws are unconstitutional?

Next on the ban list - any semi-auto rifle no matter what it looks like or what material the stock is made from. A mere speed bump before moving on to bolt action "sniper rifles."

After all, it's about stopping long-range killers.

The MD folks at least have the honesty to come out and say it:
http://www.dailytimesonline.com/news/stories/20030915/localnews/260464.html
""The (DC) snipers could not have inflicted the damage they did with a handgun"i

They used a legal gun and a 10 round magazine. Plus the demonstrated AR-15s can be fired accurately along with spraying.

If accuracy and killing power become proposed criteria for banning types of firearms the sleeping giant of hunters and target shooters who do not adhere to present NRA-type politics will be aroused into action. That will not be good for anyone who advocates a gun ban.

and the gun they did use was manufacutred by a big baccker of pResident Turd and the GOP...and they got it from the same store that Buford (Wake-Up Call) Furrow got one of his guns....

it is illegal to posess any gun.

Gun Bans seem rather futile to me.

the corrupt gun industry got them their gun in Tacoma....from the same store where Buford "Wake Up Call" Furrow got one of his guns...

...that there are organizations that want to ban all guns.

"The (DC) snipers could not have inflicted the damage they did with a handgun"

Leah Barrett, executive director of CeaseFire Maryland

When you add the comments of organizations that want to ban hand guns because they have no 'sporting purpose' we would end up with nothing if we let them have their way.

What's Feinstein's point?

...Diane is too smart to make a gaff like this.

distorted by Feindstein, Scary Brady, et al?

The Party platform says as the lead sentence:
QUOTE
Strong and Sensible Gun Laws. A shocking level of gun violence on our streets and in our schools has shown America the need to keep guns away from those who shouldn't have them - in ways that respect the rights of hunters, sportsmen, and legitimate gun owners.
UNQUOTE

Then in the next paragraph, the platform implies that AWB was a significant factor in reducing crime.
QUOTE
That's why Democrats fought and passed the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban. We increased federal, state, and local gun crime prosecution by 22 percent since 1992. Now gun crime is down by 35 percent.
UNQUOTE

Proponents of AWB want to broaden the definition to include all semi-automatic firearms. That completely repudiates the statement about respecting "the rights of hunters, sportsmen, and legitimate gun owners."

Is it any wonder that independent voters view the Democratic Party as a bunch of gun-grabbers?

The party platform doesn't represent Democratic views....but a bunch of warmed-over GOP propaganda does?

DEAN 04.

Unless you can convince him otherwise.

but i also know that this ban expires in almost exactly one year. It has to go through a republican congress and president to pass. The only way this will pass is if the repukes think it will help them get re-sElected. I am sure by the mass number of emails and letters sent to them on account of this ban, they know they will be voted out if it gets renewed.

make their concession speech and save the voters a lot of trouble.

I wonder how much Karl Rove is paying her to scare away independent voters who otherwise might vote for Democratic Party candidates. :puke:

Bush will still be Prez, Feinstein is dumber then I thought.

Many Union voters happen to be gun owners. And when they here the words gun ban, all to frequently either they do not vote or they end up voting for the repugs.

Gun Control cost us the White House in the last presidential election.

Give us a frigging break.

"Many Union voters happen to be gun owners. And when they here the words gun ban"
Gee, and where do they hear that, except from the lying pro-GOP RKBA crowd?

...ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and probably FOX, too.

Then it oughtn't to be any problem bringing up those stories, should it?

Funnny how last week when we saw the articles telling us Democrats were turning against gun control, the "Democrats" quoted were

"says James Jay Baker, legislative director of the National Rifle Association."
"says Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., who was just elected to a second 3-year term on the NRA board."
"In a letter written to Baker in May, Ashcroft said "
"Republican pollster Bill McInturff asks."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=8562&mesg_id=8601&page=

...November 2000. Or maybe it was your thumbs up your....nevermind.

Multiple times I heard the networks say that Gore lost TN because of his anti gun stance. Sorry that I didn't tape it for you.

It's more like I know horseshit when I hear it.

And I guess this means that you know that any story you produce is going to quote "Democrats" like last week's example did...

"Among the factors they cite are a national Gore campaign that took Tennessee for granted, Mr. Gore's adoption of liberal stands on issues like gun control, the Gore campaign's failure to respond early to GOP television advertising and the impact of spending by independent groups such as the National Rifle Association."

http://www.timesfreepress.com/2000/dec/14dec00/webtngoreloss.html

"U.S. Rep. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn., boiled the Gore loss down to one word."
"National Rifle Association spokesman Bill Powers said "

By the way, I've met Zach Wamp...and if he was any dumber rainwater would puddle in the top of his skull.

Funny how the actual Democrats say something entirely different.
"Democrats say the Gore national campaign failed to focus enough on Tennessee."

God damn, that pisses me off when they consider gun bans to be liberal.

when they read the right wing crap the RKBA crowd peddles here....like the notion that Zach Wamp and the NRA speak for Democrats.

You have been brainwashed by a bullshit poll, funded by a biased group.

Maine Mary and many others have been kind enough to point out to you that, a huge majority swing on this vote, but you refuse to realize the truth.

You think that only "real" Democrats feel the way you do, which is where you keep failing on the “majority” issue. There is a huge portion of the Democratic party that are pro-RKBA.

No, you will not see them on this forum, for many reasons, but the fact remains that they are out there, and not being “real” by your standards, does not change the fact that they will swing on this issue.

In fact, the emotionally charged screaming, spinning and stereotyping of guns and gun owners by the hoplophobics causes many RKBA Democrats to “stray” in order to avoid the association with these “Democrat” groups.

Deer Park Texas is a town of approx 29,000 people, 90% of the people work in the oil refineries on the Houston ship channel. These are union workers, and have always been hard line Democratic voters.
In 2000, they voted for Bush to the tune of 90%!

My mother volunteers for the Harris County Democratic Party, and after the election, everyone was amazed that Bush carried that area with such a huge margin.

In later meetings of the Harris County Democratic Party, the majority opinion attributed it to the voters unwillingness to vote for a candidate that was anti-RKBA.

You need to realize that *your* opinion is not the sole reflection of the Democratic party as you would like to infer, but in actuality a minority opinion of the party as a whole.

You can claim anything you want, dismiss anything with peddle, hooey, rubbish, etc, but the fact remains, your cause, while noble, is a detriment to the party.

that would be the RKBA crowd that pimps for this unelected drunk. Their lobbying group even boasted they'd have an office in the White House when he got in..

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"You think that only "real" Democrats feel the way you do, which is where you keep failing on the “majority” issue. There is a huge portion of the Democratic party that are pro-RKBA.
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Gee, when the RKBA propaganda saying so was posted last week, who were the "Democrats" proving it?
"says James Jay Baker, legislative director of the National Rifle Association."
"says Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., who was just elected to a second 3-year term on the NRA board."
"In a letter written to Baker in May, Ashcroft said "
"Republican pollster Bill McInturff asks."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=8562&mesg_id=8601&page=

And who gets posted in the new story "proving this" above? GOP cementhead Zach Wamp and ANOTHER asswipe from the NRA.

"You need to realize that *your* opinion is not the sole reflection of the Democratic party as you would like to infer, but in actuality a minority opinion of the party as a whole."
Really? Try peddling that up in General Discussion.

to have your head handed to you on a platter again?

Try peddling that up in General Discussion.

This has been done several times, and you got pasted on it when every time.

No I think it's been proven enough in the past, regardless of whether you are willing to admit it or not.

The thread you link to even demonstrates this in it's first reply!

However, to me your post is just more meaningless drivel from a desperate agenda.

I know what happened in the last election, and it will happen again in 04 so long as people associate the anti-RKBA crowds spinning, screaming and lying with the Democratic party.

I happened to take a ride to my parents house yesterday, and saw 9 vehicles with the old "Sportsmen for Bush" stickers on them.
Once again these are UNION DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!! oops... excuse me, they were union Democrats until the hoplophobics converted them.

Facts are facts, no matter what you think or feel.

So far all that's happened is that the RKBA crowd has looked idiotic.

"Try peddling that up in General Discussion.
This has been done several times, and you got pasted on it when every time."
Not even close to true.

"Facts are facts"
Too bad the RKBA crowd hasn't got ANY.

continue to snivel think that only you have "the" facts.

Please help us out with more of your "expertise" in these matters, it provides so many of us with that little bit of humor we need to get us through another day at work.

If you had any facts it would have been easy enough for you to produce some here....of course, then you run the risk of me shooting them down. (See post 34)

Try again, only next time get something substantially relevant to my post.

Your post 34 “shoots” nothing down. It does not invalidate the argument that your agenda causes the loss of votes for the Democrats at election time.

You always attempt to dispute facts with bullshit and irrelevant articles that really don’t address the post directly.

These attempted “correlations” fail miserably, and clearly indicate the desperate nature of your agenda.

In other words – we ain’t buying your horseshit today sir, maybe you should wait until spring to try and sell it when people need to fertilize their gardens.

Now tell us again how Zach Wamp and the NRA speak for Democrats....

"we ain’t buying your horseshit"
I got actual facts, spoon.....but you can't see them over the top of that pile of shit you're lugging around..

That dont post in the dungeon, but still believe in RKBA. GregW, who runs the DU gallery, is one of them that comes to mind.

You think that only "real" Democrats feel the way you do, which is where you keep failing on the “majority” issue. There is a huge portion of the Democratic party that are pro-RKBA.

No, you will not see them on this forum, for many reasons, but the fact remains that they are out there, and not being “real” by your standards, does not change the fact that they will swing on this issue.

Sucks to be them.