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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:33 PM
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In defense of the suicide bomber...the legacy in jordan
AMMAN - Explosions rocked three hotels in the Jordanian capital late Wednesday, killing at least 18 people, wounding more than 120 and sending ambulances screaming across downtown. One of the hotels is known to be popular with Israeli tourists.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/643639.html

to me this is the obvious continuation of "acceptance of the "no choice suicide bomber" syndrom. For all of those who explained that the "palestenain suicide bombers" have no choice...once it became acceptable for them to attack civilians at hotels, at resturants...since all of that was "understandable".....it was pretty obvious (to me at least) that it would start expanding beyond the confines of the israeli/palestenian conflict..and keep on expanding as it became more and more and acceptable norm.

it hit london, the US, Spain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt....no country will be spared for its now an acceptable method for protest...blowing up civilians....

this is the legacy of the sucide bomber apologists....guess those bombers in jordan had no choice.....

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:35 PM
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1. I have a question
Why do you assume the suicide bomber was Palestinian?
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:39 PM
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4. 'palestenain'? Is that like moran and hugh?
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:52 PM
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6. i dont...
i claim that since palestenian suicde bombings that targeted civilians were "accepted"...it paved the road for others to follow.

instead of ostricizing the PA, and every other group that accepted, celebrated their killings...they were "understood".....
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:41 PM
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10. do you think
it was acceptable to bomb the King David Hotel? Or worse yet massacre civilians at Deir Yassin? Or do you think "collateral damage" resulting in the death of innocent Palestinians is really any different thatn suicide bombings?

I am with you 100% if you condemn these kinds of atrocities as well.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:03 PM
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12. yes i condem them.....
the intentional killing of civilians is not acceptable in my eyes....what you missing however is that the culture of the suicide bomber is far more sinister than the killing of civilians by an army unit that plans on surviving. Those killings are not accepted in israel..the israeli society is not "proud" of those events...

The suicide bomber needs a culture to celebrate his/her death....the celebration of death will inturn corrupt its own society to cheapen the life of its own...and making the Intentional killing of civilians an acceptable aspect of their culture...thats the problem...and its spreading.

and part of the reason its spreading is exactly what you wrote about: attempting to take two events that are NOT accepted by israeli society (you wont find israelis proud of dir yassin, nor of the king david hotel) and saying those two events equal the continous, culturally developed and accepted phenomonan of attacking civilians all over the world with suicide bombers.

they are not equal...not at all...two isolated incidents with specific goals are unlike the vague randomness non military goals of the suicide bomber.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:37 PM
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2. Tell MSM I'm waiting for a discussion
since the release of that Italian documentary re the use of illegal chemicals on the people of Fallujah in Iraq. Until then fugg off.
My rading of the current mess on the planet is an eye for an eye.
Tell MSM their government is committing genocide in Iraq.

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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:43 PM
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13. real intelligent response...
in those few sentences you either misinformed or prefer not to know..guess it interfers with your own personal view:

let me help: the illegal chemicals...are you talking about the chemical that burns skin and not clothes?.....the kind they use in smoke grenades and illumination rounds?...i hope not since neither are illegal and both if you get to close will burn your clothes....

genocide?..wrong definition...check your dictionary
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:39 PM
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3. Faux "News" keeps showing Al Zarkawi....
I thought he was in Iraq. He is Jordanian, but I do not think anyone has claimed responsibility as of yet. What about that Bin Laden guy no one ever mentions anymore in the media??
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:40 PM
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5. Bush has made the world safe for terrorists. These bombings will
continue and have been expanded because of Bush's failed policies in the Middle East. Israeli tourists will be no more safe than anyone else involved in the "Iraqi Experiment." We are all vulnerable...those who support Blair and Bush.

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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:55 PM
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7. such BS...
suicide bombers are the result of nice western people that "understood" their frustrations...that understood that they had no choice.....

nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with the culture that developed them and their cheerleaders across the globe that "understood" why they just HAD to kill babies, school kids, moms and dads...they just HAD to.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:09 PM
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8. How about the legacy in JAPAN?
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:12 PM by Village Idiot
No one seems to want to link the term "suicide bomber" with Kamikaze these days...

"Kamikaze" sounds a wee bit more noble to me, but I really couldn't tell you the difference between the two.

The media really likes to make everyone think this is an exclusively Islamic activity / vocation.

Personally, I can't think of another culture centred around a "martyr figure" - Jeez...I wonder how many Xian martyrs there have been throughout the past 2000 years?
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seeminer21 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:26 PM
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9. I can explain the difference...
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:27 PM by seeminer21
Kamikaze's crashed themselves into war ships, not office buildings, hotels, etc.

Can you REALLY not see the difference? Not that Kamikaze's were all that "honorable", but there's a MAJOR difference.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:44 PM
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11. open your eyes....
there is a world wide phenomenon happening in all around the globe-civilians of every religion, race, age and nationality are being blown up....and the people that are doing the blowing up have only one thing in common

and that commonality was given "the official" they have no choice" by so many from the west...well that foolish apologetic attitude was part of the reason for their expansion..and it just keeps expanding ....and expanding....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:30 PM
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14. Who has expanded the most in the past
50 years? Please tell me. Who has killed the most people on this planet from 1945 to now and what were their reasons? Surely not suicide bombers.
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:48 PM
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15. Locking per Israeli/Palestinian guidelines.
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 07:21 PM by undergroundrailroad
Subject heading does not match the title of the article. It should read: (At least 57 dead in three Amman suicide bombings ).

Please refer to Israeli/Palestinian posting guidelines when posting a new thread.


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