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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:59 AM
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IDF soldiers still Hizbullah targets
mass demonstration and funeral was held Friday afternoon in southern Beirut for three Hizbullah terrorists killed in a Monday attempt to infiltrate Israel and kidnap IDF soldiers. Israel returned their bodies to Lebanon on Friday morning in a bid to defuse tensions following fierce border clashes this week. But Hizbullah's leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said his group will continue trying to kidnap Israeli soldiers.

Chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America," more than 10,000 Hizbullah supporters attended the ceremony in the Lebanese capital, after the bodies were brought from the Naqura/Rosh Hanikra Border Crossing between Israel and Lebanon. The massive protest demonstrated the considerable influence of Hizbullah, which is under international pressure to disarm, in Lebanese-Israeli affairs.

Earlier Friday, International Red Cross vehicles brought the three bodies to the border crossing where they were transferred to Lebanese ambulances as UN peacekeepers monitored the process and Hizbullah terrorists in black uniforms saluted the caskets.

The Israeli army said in a statement that the three bodies were returned to Lebanon "following the Lebanese government's urgent request to do so."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475624164&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:43 AM
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1. I'm still trying to decide why Hiz'bullah chose to pick a fight now. nt
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:27 PM
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2. Because peace is not in their best interests
If peace were to breakout, the various groups will lose their status and standing. They will do whatever they deem necessary for that not to happen. Granted its a pessimistic view, but I believe the correct one.

Consider the following scenario:
Peace breaks out. No killing on either side. Commerce flourishes and with it interdependence. Hezbullah and others are now irrelevant and counter productive. It will take a while, but if the guns fall silent, it would be the most likely outcome.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:55 PM
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3. Same thing could be said of the Israeli rightwingers...
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 02:07 PM by newyorican
and of course they are both wrong as hell.

I'd much rather live a boring, *long* life of going from home to job to home than sit in some pillbox somewhere waiting to kill or be killed. So would 99% of the poeple people in this world.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:59 PM
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:01 PM
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5. Hmm, mangled my own post
I also had a minor attempt at humor in my post, but the parser took it as formatting/HTML. Oh well
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:51 PM
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6. Well, that's true, but why Hizbullah, why now?
Picking a fight up on the border is not new, and both Hiz'bullah and the IDF have resorted to it. "Defense" organizations need something to defend against, clearly. I suppose it may have simply been too long since things were stirred up, boredom, a reminder, or something like that. But I've also seen it suggested that it was a distraction from Syria's problems, and it could well be some other ulterior motive.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:38 AM
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11. I think there's a good amount of truth in what you wrote
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:45 AM
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7. If Hizbullah is being asked to disarm...
then the IDF should disarm.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:55 AM
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8. the hizballa....
is hardly a "state with responsabilities"..in fact hizballa is basically a terrorist group occupying S. Lebanon terrorizing the in habitants there...

i would wonder why would anybody would support such a group?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:20 AM
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9. What you wrote here is akin to writing that if the Italian Mafia
is asked to disarm then so should the Italian military. Or if Posse Comitatus is asked to disarm, so should the US military. In all three cases cases, the first entity (Hizbullah, Mafia, P.C.) is neither a legal entity nor a government department. Every nation is entitled to self-defense and to have a military. Hopefully, the terrorist and/or militant and/or criminal groups get fully disarmed.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:59 AM
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13. We can get much closer than that...
It's akin to asking the Stern/Irgun groups to disarm before the formation of Israel.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:17 AM
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15. Different century and another big diff
ABBAS

There's an already completely formed Pal government with its own military; the PA doesn't need these Hiz guys, Hamas, etal making foreign policy for PA, right?
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:48 AM
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16. barb..
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 05:49 AM by pelsar
that would make abbas and the PA responsable for the actions of the palestenains....that would cause havoc with certain groups.......it would make if very difficult to claim the "we cant control them" excuse....and lead to the (gasp)...single standard. (well not really but it would make the double standard a bit more obvious)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:36 AM
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10. Well I guess the thought was to try to defuse the situation by
returning the bodies and the thanks was: chants of "death to Israel" and "death to America"


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=20322

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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:54 AM
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12. hizballa requires an enemy....
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 03:59 AM by pelsar
without which they have no reason to be:..which is why they claim the "sheba farms are lebanese......except the present intl border has been accepted by lebanon, which means that the hizballa have simply "made up something" with which to use to attack israel.

but why is that not a surprise?....do you think they have another agenda?.....

of course one does wonder why isnt the UN so concerned with their occupation of S.Lebanon?....or anybody else for that matter?...seems to me when israel was there, it was quite the news...now that "an arab" terrorist group is there, seems no one really cares.

...hmm makes we wonder if this is a hint of things to come in other parts of the israeli border: terrorist group takes over border areaa, terrorizes local population and israeli population and .......nothing, all is quite throughout the globe, all those human shields and carring individuals...just dont see to care much for the "arab citizen" under the thumb of the local terrorist organiztion, some even support them.....
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:04 AM
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14. My understanding: exactly as yours as to the location of the border
Yours: "do you think they have another agenda?"

Answer: Something to do with taking the heat off the UN investigation demands re Syria and the usual ol'hatred of Israel? Am I getting close? The papers I was reading the last several weeks said the Hez guys would be starting up/heating things up and damned if they weren't right on the mark.
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