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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:11 PM
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Analysis: Israeli politics in flux (Likud could be reduced to 9 seats)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4492976.stm

Analysis: Israeli politics in flux
Jonathan Marcus
BBC diplomatic correspondent

Where will Ariel Sharon's political earthquake lead the peace process?
An opinion poll in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper suggests that the Likud Party could be reduced to a mere nine seats in the next parliament.

The same poll suggests Mr Sharon's new party would win about 37 seats.

General elections in Israel are expected in late March, and the opinion poll may be less an indicator of the likely result and more a sign of the extraordinary turmoil and uncertainty facing the Israeli political system.

Mr Peretz's bid to re-make the Labour party and to stress again the importance of socio-economic issues and social justice adds a further dynamic element into the mix.

Of course the real interest in this election for the outside world will be its impact on the peace process with the Palestinians.


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:49 PM
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1. Another interesting take on the subject:
State of decay

Sharon's new party did not cause a political earthquake in Israel; it expresses a mood and attitude that has prevailed among the Israeli right since the first Intifada. Large segments of the Israeli right have reached the conviction that Israel needs the establishment of a Palestinian state-like entity in order to extricate Israel from its demographic predicament. This conviction, however, stops well short of the conclusions that the creation of such a Palestinian state requires Israel's withdrawal to the pre-June 1967 borders, the dismantlement of all Israeli settlements and the recognition of the Palestinian right to return. In representing this conviction, Sharon's new party is in line with Washington's position as embodied in Bush's letters of guarantee to Sharon in April 2004. It also presents a purer expression of this conviction than the newly reconstituted Likud with its hard- core settler advocates, such as Moshe Feiglin, and its new ideologues who are revamping the party line preparatory to the facedown between Netanyahu and Sharon.

The creation of a new party, such as Kadima (Forward), on the eve of Knesset elections and after years of debate and political rifts brought to the surface by the unilateral disengagement plan, is perfectly valid from the standpoint of political party politics. What is not valid is the conclusion that Sharon has changed or that there is now a move in Israel towards a just and lasting solution to the Palestinian cause. Even less legitimate is that attempt to provide an ideological gloss for Arab weakness with the claim that Sharon has changed and that now the Arabs have an opportunity they must not forfeit. With this latest fad, ruling families in Arab states -- if we are to judge by recent statements and "conjectures" by their leaders in the press -- are now caught between two "alternatives": either to grasp the new opportunity presented by the new Sharon or to hold out hope for the new Labour Party leader Amir Peretz. We will have other opportunities, however, to return to this conundrum; for the moment we'll concentrate on what is not legitimate from the standpoint of democratic theory.

What is taking place in Israel's parliamentary democracy is the subordination of the political party to the political personality. Now the political game in Israel is for the individual politician to do all in his power to hold on to his office, or to make a grab for office, or to wangle his way into a position to participate in the decision- making process, or at least to manoeuvre himself so as to appear to be taking part in decision-making. Political party boundaries, platforms, ideological positions and other such considerations, which should form the bases for the election of a party's candidate to parliament, are secondary.

The phenomenon we are discussing here has nothing to do with extraordinary personalities who have attained political celebrity status by virtue of their charisma or unique accomplishments. Rather, we are talking about your run-of-the-mill career politician who has set his personal and professional ambitions as his compass for political activity regardless of political party or ideological lines. And, as this phenomenon runs rampant, the journalist's task becomes one of keeping track of, or second-guessing, the politician's movements. Will the MP leave his party or stay? Will Party Y take him on board its list? And, if so, will he be elected to parliament or get appointed to the government office he is after -- his success at attaining this or that position being the end rather than the means for promoting a party agenda.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/773/op2.htm
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:08 AM
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2. This sentence is the crux of the matter, imho:
Even less legitimate is that attempt to provide an ideological gloss for Arab weakness with the claim that Sharon has changed and that now the Arabs have an opportunity they must not forfeit.

Because I'm sure hearing that meme, particularly in the comments about how since Sharon withdrew from Gaza that the ball is totally in the Pals court and that they virtually have to stop all terrorism before any other positive actions could possibly be considered. I've even heard that as a somewhat veiled justification for the continuation of the building of settlements, or of the appropriation of more Pal land, by the construction of the wall. Meanwhile, Israeli retaliation for any Pal violence makes sure the violence keeps coming. A very neat box the Pals have been painted into.

None of this is a big surprise, of course.

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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:15 PM
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6. WHAT!!!!!
Sharon withdrew from Gaza that the ball is totally in the Pals court and that they virtually have to stop all terrorism before any other positive actions could possibly be considered

________

excuse my reaction...but what the fuck do you think pulling out of gaza was?.....it was a "positive action"..for the palestenains....and what exactly is wrong with asking the palestenains in gaza to stop shooting missles at israeli cities? their reaction to israels good faith move?

and what exactly is your proposal for israel to do when palestenains shoot missles at israelis?

but this is most interesting:
Israeli retaliation for any Pal violence makes sure the violence keeps coming

maybe the onus is for the Palestenians to stop with the violence?..maybe the blame should be on them?....maybe they should stop?..and if israel doesnt defend itself?....this is your suggestion..let the palestenians shoot, aim better, take their time, improve their missles, so they can better kill israelis, maybe their improved missles will hit ashkelon next time instead of falling short....really good suggestion
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:19 AM
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3. Some highly interesting comments on Iran in that article, as well...
In Haaretz of 5 December, Reuben Pedatzur remarked that nothing could be more dangerous for Israeli citizens than the combination of the approaching elections and the talks over the security budget. "Suddenly it appears that Israel is facing an immense and immanent threat to its existence and that confronting it requires two steps: increasing the security budget and electing Ariel Sharon." That immanent security threat that demands the re- election of Sharon is apparently hailing from Iran. Playing on this theme, Israeli military intelligence chief Aharon Zeevi declared that if the Iranian nuclear programme isn't stopped by March 2006 it would be "too late!". As evidence of the peril looming from that direction, he cited Tehran's purchase of an anti-missile defence shield, the improved accuracy of Syria's missiles and the Iranians' "breathtaking" progress in developing the Shihab missile.

There is nothing new in this anti-Iranian alarmism apart from the fact that it now coincides with the Knesset campaigns and discussions over the security budget. But because of this coincidence we hear Netanyahu calling for a military strike against Iran, even though he knows Israel is not in a position to do so, and we find Sharon and Shimon Peres in a press conference trying to do him one better. But none of these hold a candle to Ephraim Sneh, Peretz's current security expert, and his persistent and systematic incitement against Iran.

...At the outset of the 1990s, Israeli military intelligence began to warn that Tehran would possess a nuclear weapon within five years. That five-year period has not yet ended. Two years ago, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz proclaimed that in 2004 Iran's nuclear programme would reach the point of no return. Today, Israeli military officials felt it necessary to revise that date to March 2006. Evidently, Tehran's immanent possession of a nuclear bomb has to remain permanently immanent. But then, it is no secret that since 1973 military intelligence has been tailoring its reports to what the Israeli government wants to hear.

The fact is, Israeli intelligence agencies, like other Western intelligence agencies, do not have sufficient information on the progress of Iran's nuclear programme. Iran may possess a nuclear weapon and it may not. If it does, Israel will probably have to get used to it. Meanwhile, the approaching Knesset elections and the military allocations debate have conspired to make the "Iranian peril" loom as large as can be. This security alarmism and catering to the public hysteria it creates have combined to form a very dangerous game.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:25 AM
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4. Yes, that was the part I found most interesting.
Coincides with my own assessment, somewhat. We always like people that agree with us, eh?

When you factor in the "I'm a looney" strategy of Anh-an-idjit in Iran, the things going on WRT Lebanon-Syria, and of course the continuing crisis in Iraq, it's a depressing landscape.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:31 AM
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5. The deadline given the Iranians is March; Israeli elections are in March.
Doesn't take a PhD to connect the dots...
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:45 PM
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7. sorry...
nothing new here....threat upon israel...new elections...happens every election, happens inbetween elections and few get excited over it.

what does effect elections is israelis getting killed, not the threat, the threat is a given everyday, every week, every month
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:17 PM
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8. Sharon et.al. are politicians. Politicians play politics. Voila! eom
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