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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 02:24 AM Original message |
Robert Fisk: Telling it like it isn't (Los Angeles Times) |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. . |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. ...an unusually insightful and well-reasoned comment for you, bta. eom |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 02:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. ditto. eom |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. He gave Fisk about as much time and effort as he's worth. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. The RIGHTWING Likud Party has greatly imperiled support for Israel |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 08:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Oh, now you have done it. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Excellent. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 02:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Where is the Palestinian partner? Where? |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 04:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. In prison. n/t |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 04:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Abbas is in prison?!?! n/t |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. And you speak of whom? |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 05:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Marwan Barghouti. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 03:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. your right... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. A partner negotiates and discusses and compromises. Sharon was no partner. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. the partner? |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Let me get this straight |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. or... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Here are some legal thoughts on the matter: |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. wordie..you didnt answer the question: |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 07:17 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Nope |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. It is a question of common sense... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. still didnt answer the question.. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No, you fixated on the electricity issue; for me the issue is far larger |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. you know very little about what your writing about: |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You might argue whether the US is occupied or not |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Hardly besides the point. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-15-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. again you seem not to understand... |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-15-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Israel is trying to get credit |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. With all due respect... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 03:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. so much for knowledge of israelis.... |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 04:33 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I think that's pretty obvious. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "So why can't they "feel" Israelis?" |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. They never could feel for Jews, Israelis. or Zionists |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. Your story contradicts Ben Gurion's... |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Even if this were true, and ALL the blame for this situation |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-15-06 01:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. You miss my point, CB. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 01:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I don't think I miss your point. I think I get you. Loud and |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Oh, the irony. (slight return). |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Our violence is good violence, because We were victims.. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Oh, don't. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. The argument is perfectly clear. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. No. It isn't. You would like to see it that way but that is |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Sure it is. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Willful neglect - at the very least. I think it was more a matter |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
80. No, I didn't. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Thank you for clarifying that! |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. I would ask, again, that you not misquote me, please. |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. For the record, here's my 1st response to your posts - |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
81. That's it, without the 300+ word lyrical pleas. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Give me a break. There are plenty of people in this forum |
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Englander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:04 AM Response to Reply #56 |
79. No. n/t |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. That "ALL" is well needed, I think |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I think the Western Progressive Democracies do have an obligation |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Good heavens. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Perhaps the Zionist purchase and theft of every bit of land they could |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 02:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Glad to know |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Sheesh, no wonder its so hard to talk to you guys. If you could conclude |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 07:42 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. First sentence of post 72 |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:58 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. so now jews buying land....is now bad? |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Read the thread! Is what the Zionists did "sharing" as CB says she |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. "why did the Zionists need to purchase..." |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. By your definition, nobody should ever sell a farm or a ranch |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 04:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
84. cb .....at least some things are now clear... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 06:39 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Something that really, really infuriates me |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 07:43 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. being called evil.... |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I think it is you who owes us an apology. Being called evil |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. An interesting post. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:32 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. First, thanks for the response. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 06:27 AM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Three points, I think: |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Uh huh. Same ol' same ol'. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. what you dont get.... |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. And I'd like to see the same in Iran, and Syria, and among the |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. Absolute Racism |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You dilute the meaning of the word "racism" by using it inappropriately. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I am not going to get into a rhetorical battle with you. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I am not defending them |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. It's not your call. Racism is racism no matter how you FEEl about it. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-15-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. As an example of my point, one might turn to these recent LBN threads: |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. I think you should continue reading through those threads. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. You need to read the actual article. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Right. Any society that would produce a backlash against its |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Those arguments are based completely on your personal opinion, not facts. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. What? |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Many things in life are not right, but they all aren't about anti-Semitism |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. And. likewise, many things in life are not right, but they aren't |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 02:31 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Who said they were? You're reacting to things that exist only in your own |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. You know what? Baloney. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:23 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. FACTS |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Objecting to provocative verbiage = Republicanism? |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-17-06 12:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. And I think its BIZARRE that you are reacting to things I never said. eom |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Indeed. One could say the same of those who insist that |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Back in 1970 - as the ripples of Brown v Board of Education |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-14-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. The entire point of Fisk's article was the re-definition of words |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. Please see post #61. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-13-06 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. Robert Fisk: Telling it like it isn't . |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-16-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Indeed. Speaking of word twisting... |
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