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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:17 PM
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Study Decrying “Israel Lobby” Marred by Numerous Errors
(Below is the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America ("CAMERA") commentary on the AIPAC Harvard/U of C report for another perspective on the subject.)


"March 20, 2006 by Alex Safian

Study Decrying “Israel Lobby” Marred by Numerous Errors

A new study by Harvard professor Stephen Walt and University of Chicago professor John Mearsheimer charges that the “Israel lobby” has distorted the foreign policy of the United States to the point of serious damage to U.S. interests. Perhaps anticipating that their claims might be controversial, the authors attempt to reassure any who might doubt them:

Some readers will find this analysis disturbing, but the facts recounted here are not in serious dispute among scholars.

In fact, even a cursory examination of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy reveals that it is riddled with errors of fact, logic and omission, has inaccurate citations, displays extremely poor judgement regarding sources, and, contrary to basic scholarly standards, ignores previous serious work on the subject. The bottom line: virtually every word and argument is, or ought to be, in “serious dispute.”

In other words, a student who submitted such a paper would flunk."
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http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=35&x_article=1099
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:26 PM
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1. never heard of CAMERA before...
but after looking at their site for 5 minutes...you want me to take THEM as an unbiased source? whatever.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:29 PM
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2. They don't PRETEND to be unbiased.
The question is, are they factual? I think they are. I've not seen contrary evidence.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:33 PM
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3. Bingo....CAMERA, MEMRI
Campus-watch, sandstorm, WINEP, AIPAC

Yup....

Give the poster a cee-gar.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:36 PM
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4. got any factual comments?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 01:03 AM
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6. Here's one: CAMERA is a biased, partisan and dishonest bunch...
:)
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:28 AM
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7. Thank you-- I've learned that the old "got any facts" game
is just an excuse to write folks off.

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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:28 AM
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8. By their actions you shall know them
Hows about looking them up, lookin up their "publications" and seeing for oneself.

Enjoy the game.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:38 PM
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5. here's the report being discussed...
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 11:39 PM by ret5hd
don't know why it wasn't listed in the OP...

but, i have found that the addy won't copy correctly on DU, so copy and paste this link:

ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf

edit:typo
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:51 AM
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9. Some More Unbiased Sources
API (American Petroleum Institute) - with it's tentacles in the WH - no such thing as Green House Gases or Global Warming, and EtOH is much more wasteful then petroleum, and if we raise CAFE and limit SUV's and pickups American workers will lose jobs.



- it ain't the San Francisco Chronicle

No. We're not in San Francisco abymore - wrong "Chronicle"

And let's go get ouselves a good shrimp dinner at the San Jacinto Inn, with some Lone Star Long Neckers. It ain't Scoma's on the Bay.



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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:59 AM
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10. Most people won't read the report, but they will form their opinions
based on what someone else tells them about the report. This tactic has worked very well for the shapers of opinion among the Christian evangelicals, and it seems to be succeeding just as well among with the shapers of opinion in the Jewish community.

Faith-based anything sucks!
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:19 AM
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11. Israel Lobby Marred by Support for Numerous Crimes Against Humanity
for support of waging wars of aggression, and for support of violating other aspects of international law.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:31 PM
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12. Gee, who could have predicted this? nt
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:03 AM
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13. I'm not a big fan of CAMERA/MEMRI
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 12:04 AM by Lithos
As they tend to overlook and distort facts, but I'm also completely unimpressed with the sophomoric paper written by these two professors. I mean such statements as:

More importantly, saying that Israel and the United States are united by a shared
terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: rather, the United States
has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel,
not the other way around. U.S. support for Israel is not the only source of anti‐
American terrorism, but it is an important one, and it makes winning the war on
terror more difficult.
15
There is no question, for example, that many al Qaeda
leaders, including bin Laden, are motivated by Israel’s presence in Jerusalem and
the plight of the Palestinians. According to the U.S. 9/11 Commission, bin Laden
explicitly sought to punish the United States for its policies in the Middle East,
including its support for Israel, and he even tried to time the attacks to highlight
this issue.


Shows a highly suspect (ie incomplete) knowledge of the Middle East and the history surrounding it. Bin Laden for instance really didn't care about the US's ties to Israel. He did not start his campaign until the US (GOP under Reagan and Bush I) mucked things up vis-a-vis Saddam that they based troops in Saudi Arabia (and kept a semi-permanent base there well after Gulf War I). Just as they claimed earlier that Palestinian terrorism is different than other ME terrorism, the main impetus for terrorism against the US has reasons other than US-Israeli relations.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:19 AM
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14. Yeah, I still want to know why they decided to publish this,
It is obviously meant to still up a fuss.
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