Move to bring genocide case against Ahmadinejad as Iran president repeats call to wipe out Israel

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1970659,00.html

Move to bring genocide case against Ahmadinejad as Iran president repeats call to wipe out Israel

Robert Tait in Tehran, Ed Pilkington in New York
Wednesday December 13, 2006
The Guardian

The outgoing US ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, is backing a call for the president of Iran to be charged with inciting genocide because of his speeches advocating the destruction of the state of Israel.

Barely a week after he announced his resignation from the UN post, Mr Bolton will appear tomorrow among a panel of diplomats and lawyers calling for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to be prosecuted. The panel has been convened by a Jewish umbrella group in the US, the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organisations.

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The call for legal action came as Mr Ahmadinejad repeated his onslaught against Israel at an international gathering of holocaust deniers in Tehran. The president, who has dismissed the murder of six million Jews by the Nazis as a myth told up to 70 visiting speakers that the Israeli state would soon be wiped out.

"Thanks to people's wishes and God's will, the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want," he said.

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By contrast, Mr (David) Duke praised the event as "a tremendous step forward" and said Mr Ahmadinejad said "sensible things".

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A suit will be lodged with the international court of justice at The Hague, which will decide whether to hear the action. The panel said the Iranian president was guilty of inciting genocide "by making numerous threats against the United States, calling for the destruction of Israel and instigating discrimination against Christians and Jews". His words violate a 1948 UN genocide convention, to which Iran is a signatory, they said.

I'd want to get an accurate translation of Ahmadinejad's words.
The guy is always being translated by western journo-speakers for western audiences to gasp at.
I don't think, regardless of the sometimes inflammatory flapping jaw of Ahmadinejad, that an accurate Farsi to MSM phrase book has ever been published.

on the Iranian government's website?

English:

http://www.president.ir/eng/

Farsi:

http://www.president.ir/

forgive me if I don't feign surprise.

It was not intentional.

The link won't copy onto the board. Copy and paste it into your browser.

which also means that it was not alterned by the Iranians to make it look better. It is indeed translated differently:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061214224633/http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1384/08/4/index-e.htm#b3

"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned countries or leaders who have taken measures to acknowledge the Zionist regime under pressure or due to lack of sound understanding that they will be confronted with the wrath of the Islamic ummah and will forever be disgraced. Speaking at a conference dubbed "World without Zionism" here Wednesday which was attended by thousands of students, he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world. He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away. Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick," saying Gaza is part of Palestinian territory and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge the Zionist regime of Israel. Pointing to the evil attempts of the US and Israel to saw discord among warring forces in Palestine and other parts of the Islamic world, the president said such attempts were aimed at forcing some Islamic countries to acknowledge the existence of Israel. . "

and no statements containing a threat by Iran to start hostilities against Israel, nor incitement to other nations to attack Israel.

What does "a world without Zionism" mean to you?

"a world without Zionism" to me, means, "a world without Zionism".

Similarly, "a world without vegetarianism" to me, means, "a world without vegetarianism".

:eyes:

is not a call for all vegetarians to be killed.

" Jewish nationalist movement that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el, “the Land of Israel”). Though Zionism originated in eastern and central Europe in the latter part of the 19th century, it is in many ways a continuation of the ancient nationalist attachment of the Jews and of the Jewish religion to the historical region of Palestine, where one of the hills of ancient Jerusalem was called Zion."
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9078399/Zionism

Or maybe I am taking that wrong? Zionism was the name for the original movement to create Israel, so I suppose he means he wants to eliminate the movement which created Israel. It would appear that is different than actually saying he wanted to wipe Israel off the map. The latter, implies actually attacking Israel in a way to wipe it off the map.

And I am on record arguing that he did say it. I shouldn't be surprised, al-Jazeera is a news organization with low standards for what constitutes bias, so if it suites them, as it does in the case of Iran, they make shit up.

But sometimes semantics are important. Saying, for example, "I wish Augusto Pinochet were dead", or "Augusto Pinochet will someday die", is actually not the same as calling for him to be killed.

They translate their own articles into English.

Zionist regime endless threat to region - Ahmadinejad

Stating that establishment of the Zionist regime and using the Holocaust as propaganda aim at dominating the region, he added, "As the Soviet Union disappeared, the Zionist regime will also vanish and humanity will be liberated".

http://www.irna.com/en/news/view/line-17/0612123499223325.htm

Plenty of examples, no Farsi to MSM phrase book necessary. (Unless the Islamic Republic News Agency is part of the MSM)

been thoroughly debunked.

Remarkable that some still raise it.

but al-Jazeera is based out of the Sunni Muslim country of Qatar, which is also pro-US.

Here is the al-Jazeera website's version of it:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816

Here is the translation from the Ahmadinthehead's website:
"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned countries or leaders who have taken measures to acknowledge the Zionist regime under pressure or due to lack of sound understanding that they will be confronted with the wrath of the Islamic ummah and will forever be disgraced. Speaking at a conference dubbed "World without Zionism" here Wednesday which was attended by thousands of students, he said any country which acknowledges the Zionist regime will actually be acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world. He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away. Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick," saying Gaza is part of Palestinian territory and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge the Zionist regime of Israel. Pointing to the evil attempts of the US and Israel to saw discord among warring forces in Palestine and other parts of the Islamic world, the president said such attempts were aimed at forcing some Islamic countries to acknowledge the existence of Israel. . "

http://web.archive.org/web/20061214224633/http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1384/08/4/index-e.htm#b3

Interpret that as you shall choose. I wonder if this is why he mandated he have his own translator on 60 Minutes?

What do you think the consequences of the state of Israel being "wiped off the map" would be for the people who are its citizens living there?

Why do I think that ole Ahmadinejad would jump at a chance to defend himself at the Hague?

Why do I think that high-minded defenders of international law like Bolton and Dershowitz will cry tears of outrage and denounce the international law when the Hague rejects the complaint citing 'lack' of a evidence?

Why do I think this will backfire due to the fact that the words 'Israel' and 'international law' will have to be reported in the same sentence?

Is Allan 'The Case for Israel' Dershowitz the best guy to argue historical facts?

Should be fun...

RW crazies are also are charged.