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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 08:35 PM
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The concept of 2003
Yom Kippur is approaching and it's a good
opportunity for some soul-searching and
reexamination of the situation compared to the
past. There's not too much effort required to
reach the conclusion that the Israeli leadership
has fallen victim in 2003 to a strategic "concept"
as it did in 1973. Like then, the leadership has
overestimated Israel's military strength. Then as
now, Israel blames the mistakes of its American
friends. In both cases, the state was led by an
elderly, conservative leader, who did not believe
anything the Arabs said, and rejected any change
or concessions. The main difference is the result.
Instead of a successful crossing of the canal in
broad daylight, Israel is bleeding in an unending
war of attrition with the Palestinians.

The concept of 2003 is based on
a profound conviction that the
U.S. intends to use force to
change the status quo in the
region and topple or shock the
anti-Israel regimes in Iraq,
the Palestinian Authority,
Syria and Iran. The state's
leaders and the heads of the
defense and intelligence
establishments made far-reaching statements
about 2003 being "the year of decision" in the
conflict with the Palestinians. They expected
the occupation of Iraq to create a domino
effect throughout the region as the beaten
Arabs, lacking any military option, would
accept an Israeli dictate to hold onto the
territories for many years to come (a
"long-term interim agreement," as Ariel Sharon
calls it). They spoke of the integration of the
big bang in Baghdad and the internal power
struggles in Ramallah leading to the departure
of Yasser Arafat from the world stage and
resumption of the political process on terms
much more convenient to Israel.

Haaretz
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LastDemInIdaho Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:13 PM
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1. Eliminating the terrorists targeting Israel is an honorable goal
It will be painful for those involved but it is something that must be done. If those siding with the terrorists help identify the terrorists and assist in targeting them it will be less painful.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:16 PM
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2. The problem isn't terrorists, the problem is terrorism...
Like poverty, you can't go up to terrorism and shoot it, or launch air attacks on it. Its root causes lie in domestic problems, especially those that can be easily blamed on someone else. If some of those domestic problems are solved or improved, the terrorism problem would be solved or improved.
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MariMayans Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:21 PM
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3. Jews disposed of such collaborators in Warsaw
The only pity was that they didn't start sooner and weren't ruthless enough in their executions.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 09:19 AM
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6. That Is Not Too Germane, Ma'am
There could hardly have been any prospect for peace with the Nazis; Nazi actions toward Jews certainly were not predicated on the existance of bands of Jews killing German civilians. You cannot seriously mean that the intention of Israel towards the people of Arab Palestine is complete physical extermination, and that would be necessary if your comparison is to hold.

If groups like Hamas are not broken by Arab Palestinian authorities, they will be broken by the Israeli state. At this time, probably the only effective way the Palestine Authority could move against them would be by sharing intelligence with the Israelis security services.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:21 PM
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4. I don't quite see the connection to the posted OpEd piece, Sir.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 01:23 AM
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5. Please forgive ole Absynthe
He has an agenda and will get it in to every thread regarless of topic.
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