Palestinian teens attack Canadian tour bus

Canadian tourists got caught in ongoing violence in Jerusalem Saturday as Palestinians continue to protest Israeli construction at a disputed holy site.

Palestinian teenagers attacked a bus carrying a small group of Canadians and threw rocks at police.

The bus was carrying vacationing Canadians on a tour of the Mount of Olives holy site in east Jerusalem.

"We were just driving and all of a sudden a bunch of kids started picking up rocks and whatever they could get their hands on and started throwing it at the bus,'' said tourist Dave Wood.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070210/palestinian_teens_070210/20070210?hub=TopStories

then again, look at the adult role models they have.

If I was a kid who runs the streets firing guns and that sort of thing I would not want to return to the ordinary world of sweeping up trash in the grandpa's shop.

is throwing rocks at a bus some sort of pre-vocational job skill?

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"is throwing rocks at a bus some sort of pre-vocational job skill?"

That is a nasty statement and deserved the reply I gave.

This post (the one I am responding to) would have been a better response, but instead, you went the anti-Israeli route.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3343645,00.html

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responded to deserves a little more of your time.

Who ever HEARD of such a thing? Astounding.
Must be political.

I don't know if you noticed but rock throwing is the standard form of civil disobedience in Palestine. These aren't bored suburban kids. They're bored Palestinian kids. The difference is like that of ennui versus hate.

Of course, if it wasn't political then they must have been throwing stones at the other cars as well. No way to know. Think they were?

....your post was entertainingly self-contradictory.

Phew...I rarely get to coin such a syllable-rich phrase.

did my sarcasm zip so far over his head that he took it literally and is now gloating over thinking he caught me out?
But then I thought, "Hey, maybe not. Maybe I'm the douchebag who didn't notice that his post was entertainingly self-contradictory FOR REAL."

So, now I want to know. What's entertainingly self-contradictory in my post? (There was a joke in there too. Did you at least see the joke?)

The Palestinian teens know that no groups or individuals that promote Palestinian causes are allowed visas. The bus must be full of Israeli supporters.

When tour and witness groups were allowed entry into the Palestinian territories they were treated with respect and veiwed as a source of much needed income. Now all buses represent profits for the prison guards.

The occupied have a right to resist occupation. The tour bus supports the occupation.

Trying to injure and kill Canadians is a good way to resist occupation.

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Canadians being allowed to travel in Israel because they aren't at war with them?

Palestinian civilians being allowed to travel in Israel because they aren't at war with them? After all, no Palestinian prisoner in Israeli prisons are POWs and there's never been a declaration of war...

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Not in any thread I've ever seen at DU...

What I saw was you making the false claim that someone else said it...

Saying you agree that killing Canadians is a good way to resist occupation is voicing your support for the killing of innocent Canadians who travel to Israel.

No-one in this thread has said they support the murder of Canadian civilians....

I was obviously being sarcastic and the poster said they agreed with the statement that killing Canadians is a good way to resist occupation.

Obviously we have a differing of opinion. To me, that is voicing your support for murdering Canadians.

YOU were the only person in this thread to state support for the murder of Canadian civilians. I don't give a fuck if yr making excuses in hindsight that you were being sarcastic - it's a stupid and moronic thing to state and it's also against the rules here at DU.

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And yr resorting to personal attacks (which are also against the rules here) is not a particularly effective way to show that yr here at DU to engage in any sort of constructive discussion...

Porcupine said:
So what's the problem.
The Palestinian teens know that no groups or individuals that promote Palestinian causes are allowed visas. The bus must be full of Israeli supporters.

When tour and witness groups were allowed entry into the Palestinian territories they were treated with respect and veiwed as a source of much needed income. Now all buses represent profits for the prison guards.

The occupied have a right to resist occupation. The tour bus supports the occupation.

Zachary replied:
I agree
Trying to injure and kill Canadians is a good way to resist occupation

Then Porcupine repied:

Actually yes.
The Canadians represent profits for Israeli businesses only. Tourism to Israel should be discouraged until Palestinians are allowed free transit to and from their territories.

Why should the Canadians be allowed to travel when Palestinians are not? Let me guess: Palestinians are all terrorists/terrorist supporters because they're Palestinian.

Predictable.


Seems pretty fucking simple to me violet.

Zachary replied:
I agree
Trying to injure and kill Canadians is a good way to resist occupation


Can't get much more simple than that. It's all a moot point now seeing Zach's no longer among us...

He threw out the hook and porcupine bit.

btw, if I was one of those Canadian tourists, I'd be pretty pissed off at the tourist operator who knowingly took them into a volatile area like that. Reputable tourist operators tend to alter their itineraries when trouble in hot spots erupt...

The current standard of engagement in the occupied territories is this:

The IDF reserves the right to kill ANYBODY, men, women, children or US citizens in pursuit of those it declares to be terrorists. Those killed do not have to be engaged in any type of combat at the time of killing to be judged a fair killing by Israel and it's supporters. (See Rachel Corrie) Numerous posts by supporters of Israel back up this position.

The Palestinians are an occupied people. Occupied peoples have the right of resistance. (see Warsaw Uprising) Even when it is futile.

So why are you bitching about kids throwing rocks at Canadians?

The rules are both sides get to kill who-ever they feel like. It's all fair.

What's the problem?

The IDF reserves the right to kill ANYBODY, men, women, children or US citizens in pursuit of those it declares to be terrorists

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that the IDF alone reserves this right? Or that they abuse it? Or that the IDF acts more recklessly than other armies in other occupied areas? (What's the civilian death toll in Iraq?)

Or are you saying that Israel's rules of engagement specifically allow this? (They don't.)

The rules are both sides get to kill who-ever they feel like. It's all fair.

I disagree. There actually are rules and they do not say that. And for fairness' sake, considering that America pays most of the budget for UNRWA, has traditionally spearheaded peace talks and treaties for the region and has invested more resources than any other country in aiding Palestine I think Palestinians should refrain from purposefully killing Americans. To be fair.

And in the Warsaw uprising 250,000 civilians were killed. In only 2 months. It is not a great comparison.

In response to a post from someone who didn't say it:

ZacharyG (37 posts) Sun Feb-11-07 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. I agree
Trying to injure and kill Canadians is a good way to resist occupation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x166480#166527

You're acting as though there is not a legitimate terrorism problem in Israel? No one thinks that all Palestinians are terrorists. However, in Israel, most terrorists are Palestinian. (see how that's different. when you switch the words around it becomes both non-racist and also true!) And most Palestinians voted for terrorism to continue when they voted in Hamas in a landslide. That's the cool thing about democracy. It empowers people to actually have control. Yet it also makes them responsible for their choices. This is actually a good thing in most people's opinions. Anyway, many Palestinians chose Hamas.

Now, obviously there are many Palestinians who do not feel this way and they are being unjustly punished solely because of their nationality. That sucks. But in this case, one must do a cost benefit analysis. Considering that allowing all Palestinians free travel in Israel will result in a greater amount of Israeli deaths and also that the Israeli Government gives priority to protecting Israel's citizens from death over the domestic travel rights of non-citizens of Israel, their choice does have some merit. Historically this happens from time to time. For instance, during World War I, America restricted Germans from freely traveling in America even though they realized it would hurt some of the non-belligerent Germans who wanted to visit America peacefully. It was a tough time all around for American/German relations.

You also have some misconceptions about the territories. Israel doesn't really ask any questions about your views on Palestine to get a visa. Actually, you don't even NEED a visa to visit there if you are American. And there are plenty of groups that support Palestinian causes there, (heard of UNRWA? heard who pays their bills?) And this event happened in JERUSALEM. You can just walk into East Jerusalem, there isn't any checkpoint. I stayed there the last time I went to Israel. And when you stay in East Jerusalem and buy goods and services from the Palestinian merchants and hostel owners there it DOES help them financially. This happens because you are handing money directly to them. Then they have it. They enjoy this.

Let me guess: Palestinians are all terrorists/terrorist supporters because they're Palestinian.

You do know that 20% of Israel's citizens are Palestinian, right?

The manufacturer of the "Van of the Oppressors/Genocidists" should be boycotted.

Canada should be boycotted as well.

"The Palestinian teens know that no groups or individuals that promote Palestinian causes are allowed visas. The bus must be full of Israeli supporters."

So if someone wants to visit a country with so many historically important sites, they are Israeli supporters"? Am I an Italian supporter if I want to visit the Coliseum? Am I a Chinese supporter if I want to visit the Great Wall? If I visited the Great Wall in the 1960's was I supporting communism? Maybe these people were just *gasp* TOURSITS!