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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:12 PM
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Shooting erupts at Israel-Gaza crossing
JERUSALEM - Shooting broke out Monday at the Erez crossing between Israel and Gaza, and a number of Palestinians were wounded, one seriously, Palestinian hospital officials said.


Israel TV reported Palestinians opened fire at Israeli soldiers at the crossing, and they returned the fire. There were no Israeli casualties, the TV report said. The Israeli military had no immediate comment.

Palestinian hospital officials said a seriously wounded Palestinian was being treated. Ambulance drivers said the exchange of fire was between the Hamas militia and Israeli soldiers at the crossing.

Since the Islamic Hamas took over Gaza, the Erez crossing has been crowded with Gazans trying to flee.

more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_gaza_shooting_1
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:17 PM
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1. Dick Cheney and George Bush must be dancing in these offices on hearing this news
...one step closer to nuclear war
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:19 PM
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2. Old Joe Lieberman is probably having orgasms.
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AviBaruch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:22 PM
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3. And the far left hypocrites are orgasming in delight
for the fodder to use against the evil Zionist state.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:39 PM
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6. Read the article.
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AviBaruch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:41 PM
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8. ok, so Salman Rushdie got knighted
which has what to do with "Israeli agents" in the US?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:44 PM
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10. Sorry. My link didn't post. You'll find it below.
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AviBaruch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:51 PM
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11. What I find most repugnant about this line of thought
is that those espousing this purposely ignore that the most powerful people involved in the administration at the time the Iraq War was sold were not, in fact, these alleged "Israeli agents", which is just codeword for Jews.

Note the top names at the time-Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice-not a Jew among them. You'd make a better case that blacks were pushing the Iraq war, but of course, THAT type of specious hate is unacceptable whereas subtle anti-semitism is ok by the far left standards of tolerance.

Iraq was sold based on fear, desire for oil and desire for revenge. Those pushing the Israel front have a secondary agenda beyond the truth.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:55 PM
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:14 PM
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21. What makes you think,
that Israel was behind the decision to invade Iraq? You must have some pretty solid evidence that Israel was the catalyst or you wouldn't be making these accusations, right?

Especially since the US invading Iraq was unpopular in Israel and has harmed their security by eliminating the main enemy of their greatest threat, Iran.

And to my knowledge, no one has bombed Iran yet. However, many countries see Iran as a threat, such as Saudi Arabia. Yet I noticed that you haven't singled out the Saudis in an accusation that they control the US government's policies.

Especially since these statements hew so closely to traditional anti-semitic dogma, I am certain that you have a solid fact-based case to make supporting your argument.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 06:26 PM
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 08:53 PM
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33. Oh my freakin god...
OK, so you proved my point quite nicely there. If you need me to refute the content of the garbage you sent me, I'd be happy to give you a quick summary. But I think most people might be satisfied with knowing where you had to go to get some fodder to back up your unfortunate message.

Institute for Historical Review- Holocaust denial site. Links to neo-nazis and other anti-semitic groups throughout the world. (Go here much for your news, then?)

Pat Buchanon- Most people here know this guy. He's a famous democratic progressive. (LOL.) Here's a tidbit you may not know. Not only is Buchanon an asshole without peer, but he's also... gasp, an anti-semitic nazi sympathizer! (But you love him anyway, don't you?)

You know what, screw this. I have better things to do with my time than tell you that neo-nazi sites are not very credible. You've made my case far better than I ever could.

Lol... the IHR. Pathetic.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 07:35 PM
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30. Part 2
Israel must stay the hell out of U.S. debate on Iraq

By Bradley Burston


Ehud Olmert suffers from a learning disability found at times among people who know themselves to be brilliant:

They fail to learn the first thing.

Take the debate within the United States over the war in Iraq.

The first thing for an Israeli prime minister to know about the debate is this: Stay the hell out of it.

The second thing might well be: If you're thinking about addressing the American Jewish community on an issue of intense sensitivity, take a long second look before you say the first thing that comes to mind.

But Olmert, being Olmert, couldn't resist. And as a chaser, he chose the worst possible venue, the closely scrutinized national convention of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) pro-Israel lobby, to declare that an early U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq would destabilize the entire Middle East.

"Those who are concerned for Israel's security, for the security of the Gulf States and for the stability of the entire Middle east should recognize the need for American success in Iraq and responsible exit," Olmert announced, via video link.

"Any outcome that will not help America's strength and would, in the eyes of the people in the region, undercut America's ability to deal effectively with the threat posed by the Iranian regime will be very negative," he added.

Perhaps the first thing that Olmert should have considered was this: A recent Gallup poll showed that Jewish Americans are the most strongly opposed to the war of all U.S. religious groups.

In fact, opinion polls have shown that a majority of Jews has opposed the war since 2003. Even Jewish Republicans, who support Bush on other issues have shown themselves opposed to the Iraq campaign.

The second thing for Olmert to have considered is the extent to which Jewish neo-cons and Israel have been blamed for the decision to enter the war.

So, not one to quit when he's behind, Olmert trudged on. Only U.S. President George W. Bush and the United States can effectively confront Iran's attempt to boost its nuclear capacity, Olmert announced, his message served with a soupcon of understated Zionist-spiced emotional blackmail.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/836953.html
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<snip>

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.

In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.

The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister.

The OSP absorbed this heady brew of raw intelligence, rumour and plain disinformation and made it a "product", a prodigious stream of reports with a guaranteed readership in the White House. The primary customers were Mr Cheney, Mr Libby and their closest ideological ally on the national security council, Stephen Hadley, Condoleezza Rice's deputy.

In turn, they leaked some of the claims to the press, and used others as a stick with which to beat the CIA and the state department analysts, demanding they investigate the OSP leads.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4714031-103681,00.html
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(This is Pat Buchanan, and I dislike the man intensely. But he's not always wrong.)

Cui Bono? For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam?

Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.

Indeed, Sharon has been everywhere the echo of his acolytes in America. In February 2003, Sharon told a delegation of Congressmen that, after Saddam’s regime is destroyed, it is of “vital importance” that the United States disarm Iran, Syria, and Libya.

“We have a great interest in shaping the Middle East the day after” the war on Iraq, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Conference of Major American Jewish Organizations. After U.S. troops enter Baghdad, the United States must generate “political, economic, diplomatic pressure” on Tehran, Mofaz admonished the American Jews.

Are the neoconservatives concerned about a war on Iraq bringing down friendly Arab governments? Not at all. They would welcome it.

“Mubarak is no great shakes,” says Richard Perle of the President of Egypt. “Surely we can do better than Mubarak.” Asked about the possibility that a war on Iraq—which he predicted would be a “cakewalk”—might upend governments in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, former UN ambassador Ken Adelman told Joshua Micah Marshall of Washington Monthly, “All the better if you ask me.”

On July 10, 2002, Perle invited a former aide to Lyndon LaRouche named Laurent Murawiec to address the Defense Policy Board. In a briefing that startled Henry Kissinger, Murawiec named Saudi Arabia as “the kernel of evil, the prime mover, the most dangerous opponent” of the United States.

Washington should give Riyadh an ultimatum, he said. Either you Saudis “prosecute or isolate those involved in the terror chain, including the Saudi intelligence services,” and end all propaganda against Israel, or we invade your country, seize your oil fields, and occupy Mecca.

In closing his PowerPoint presentation, Murawiec offered a “Grand Strategy for the Middle East.” “Iraq is the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia the strategic pivot, Egypt the prize.” Leaked reports of Murawiec’s briefing did not indicate if anyone raised the question of how the Islamic world might respond to U.S. troops tramping around the grounds of the Great Mosque.

What these neoconservatives seek is to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel. They want the peace of the sword imposed on Islam and American soldiers to die if necessary to impose it.

Washington Times editor at large Arnaud de Borchgrave calls this the “Bush-Sharon Doctrine.” “Washington’s ‘Likudniks,’” he writes, “have been in charge of U.S. policy in the Middle East since Bush was sworn into office.”

The neocons seek American empire, and Sharonites seek hegemony over the Middle East. The two agendas coincide precisely. And though neocons insist that it was Sept. 11 that made the case for war on Iraq and militant Islam, the origins of their war plans go back far before.
http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html
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Israel says US will attack Iraq in May
Front page /

Israeli defence experts predict that the United States will launch an attack on Iraq in May, after US President Gorge Bush branded Iraq, Iran and North Korea an axis of evil.

The military experts, quoted by the Yediot Aharonot newspaper, say the Pentagon has received permission to start preparations for an offensive against Iraq as the second phase of Washington's global war on terror after Afghanistan.

The Israelis say the Americans have already started mustering the necessary troops and were coordinating with the Iraqi opposition.

The paper says Israeli Defence Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer will ask the US administration to coordinate its offensive with the Israeli leadership.

-That's all folks-

Bombing Iraq to Protect Israel


by James J. David

U.S. President George W. Bush last month accused Baghdad, along with Iran and North Korea, of making up an "axis of evil" bent on backing international terrorism and developing weapons of mass destruction. It seems that Senator Joseph Lieberman has convinced the President that Bagdad is a threat to the United States and launching a military attack seems to be the only alternative. Other close advisors such as Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and the Defense Chairman of the Advisory Board, Richard Perle, are also calling for the bombing of Iraq as the only sure method of destroying this threat.

When Joseph Lieberman says that it's necessary to attack Iraq because Iraq is a threat to the United States, does he really think that smart Americans believe this? Does he really think that Iraq would attack the United States? Senator Lieberman must take you and me for a fool. Let me tell you why this is utter nonsense. No one can launch an intercontinental ballistic missile without the United States instantly knowing its exact location. Therefore, any small country that launches a missile in our direction will know that it is committing national suicide. The warheads on just one of our submarines could cause these small countries literally to cease to exist. How long did it take the United States to defeat Iraq in the Gulf War? The last time I looked it was 38 seconds, and that was with conventional warfare, not nuclear, which the United States has more of than all nations combined times 1000.

If Iraq hit the United States with one or two missles, despite the loss of life, would strategically be nothing more than a pinprick. It would be like poking a sleeping bear. All you would do is make the bear mad. Therefore, it is extremely unlikely that Iraq or Iran, or for that matter North Korea would trade national suicide for inflicting minimal damage on the United States. And building a force of ICBMs large enough to be real threat is beyond the economic capabilities of those three countries.

So why did Senator Joseph Lieberman convince President Bush to focus on Iraq as a threat? I'll tell you why. It's not the United States that Senator Lieberman is concerned about. We know that Iraq is not a threat to the United States. Iraq is a threat to Israel. Senator Lieberman and other pro-Israelis in Washington don't want anyone else in the Middle East to own Nuclear weapons except Israel. It's Israel, not the United States, that Lieberman is concerned about. And he is willing to risk American lives and American money to insure that Israel is the super power in the Middle East. Isn't it odd that while Lieberman is pushing for a bombing of Iraq, it's the Israelis who are inflicting most of the casualties in Middle East with its current bombing campaign. In just the last 2 days the Israelis have killed 29 Palestinians, and most of them are innocent civilians including children. Iraq hasn't killed anyone since the Gulf War, and that's been 11 years ago. In just the last 17 months the Israelis have killed over 900 Palestinians and have demolished more than 300 homes causing more than 1500 children to become homeless. And the Israelis have been doing this with F-16 fighter jets, M1A1 Abram tanks, 155mm howitzers, Chaparral and Sidewinder missiles, and Apache and Cobra attack helicopters all supplied by the good 'ole United States.
http://www.mediamonitors.net/jamesjdavid8.html
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Israel's pipe dream: getting oil from Iraq
By SUSAN TAYLOR MARTIN
Published August 15, 2004

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There's an old joke Israelis like to tell on themselves: Their ancestors followed Moses around for 40 years and he led them to the only place in the Middle East without any oil.

More than three millennia later, Israel's energy outlook has barely improved. Although it is in a region awash with oil, the Jewish state must import most of its supplies from Russia because Arab oil producers refuse to deal with it.

Assuring Israel of an adequate oil supply has long been a goal not just of Israel itself, but also of pro-Israel factions in the United States. Thus emerged a controversial plan that is still kicking around even though its chief booster, Ahmad Chalabi, could soon be behind bars.

Once the Pentagon's choice to lead the "new" Iraq, Chalabi promised to reopen an old British-built pipeline from Kirkuk in northern Iraq to the Israeli port of Haifa. The plan impressed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and other conservatives influencing Bush administration policy toward Iraq in the lead-up to last year's war.

The idea also drew enthusiastic response from Israel.

"The pipeline would be a dream," Yosef Paritzky, Israel's minister of infrastructures, said as reported by Salon.com. "We'd have an additional source of supply, and could even export some of the crude through Haifa. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq . . . to build the pipeline."

Once Chalabi assumed a position of influence in the new Iraqi government, Israel would get its treaty, the neoconservatives were assured. The pipeline was by no means the only reason for going to war, but it could well have been one reason.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/15/Columns/Israel_s_pipe_dream__.shtml
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:25 PM
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37. Are you serious?
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 10:27 PM by Shaktimaan
Aside from the fact that only one or two of these sources are not anti-semitic, racist, haterags, none of them even come CLOSE to proving your point. None of them even offer any evidence at all to support your harebrained, disgusting theory. OK, but before we get into why Haaretz's article has nothing to do with your assertion, let's see what some of your *ahem* less-credible sources have to say about the Jews in general.

Media Monitors. Sounds credible, don't it? Let's check out a quote...

Most of the world is ignorant of the Rabbinic teaching in the Babylonian Talmud deliberately mis-translated into English or purposefully unavailable. Yet scholars such as Dr. Israel Shahak, an Israeli, in his book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" offers the following quotes from the Babylonian Talmud: (Also See: http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html)

"Every Jew has the obligation to see that Christian churches are burned down and wiped out. The faithful must be insulted and the clergy killed. (Schulchan Aruch, Jore dea, 146, 14)

"If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed". (Sanhedrin 58b)

"A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave." (Menahoth 43b-44a)

"Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile." (Baba Kamma 113a)

"Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human". (Yebamoth 98a)


http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/1642


What about that Haaretz article? Let's boil it down. I'll paraphrase.
"Olmert decided to back Bush and voice support for his position of not bringing troops out of Iraq. This was dumb because polls show that Jews are against the war. Even republican Jews. Yet, despite the fact that Jews are against the war, they have inexplicably been blamed for having instigated the push to invade Iraq. Olmert's statement reinforces this untrue and retarded propaganda."

OK, so that seems to discredit your argument. You'll have to go to some more of these neo-nazi, anti-Jew, racist, Buchanon-authored, ultra-conservative, David Duke pitching websites that you seem to frequent in order to find the kind of criticism you're looking for. You know where you can get TONS of great stuff on this subject to support your argument?

I can't say where here because it isn't allowed, but you would LOVE it there!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 04:50 AM
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40. You think Pat Buchanan is 'not always wrong' and are prepared to quote him?
Then why are you on a liberal board? Do you also support LePen? He does.

Next thing, you'll be quoting Cheney!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:18 PM
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 05:05 PM
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28. there maybe more to this then meets the eye
The M$M has been oddly silent on this factor, but one has to wonder if this is not at the center of it.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/867396.html

http://www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=1818
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 07:39 PM
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:43 PM
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9. What does Salman Rushdie have to do with this?
Are you suggesting that "agents of Israel" had something to do with Rushdie being knighted?

And what country are you talking about anyway? America or England? Or the "country" of Palestine?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:58 PM
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18. I never ever said Rushdie had anything to do with this.
It was the other guy.
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:06 PM
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19. No, you said...
"read this..." and linked to an article about salman rushdie.
I assume, now, by mistake.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:13 PM
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20. Psst! Go back and look at the thread. I didn't sucessfully put any link to
any article in the post "Read the article".
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:15 PM
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22. Yes, you did.
Which is why everyone is asking you about Salman Rushdie.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:23 PM
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24. Here's my post with a link. Do you see Rushdie mentioned in this
article anywhere?


And what about Rusdie? He's got nothing to do with this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
There's somethin' happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear
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AviBaruch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:28 PM
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25. nope. this was the link you presented
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:30 PM
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26. No,
Rushdie is the topic of the thread you linked to in post #4, which I replied to. The link you gave, which is still up if you want to lurch back there and try it out, is the same as this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=116x15505

Which is why many people are independently asking you WTF? about Salman Rushdie. Perhaps the Zionists are screwing with your posts. That'd be just like them, the sneaky bastards.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 07:37 PM
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31. I'm damn sick of people bringing Stormfront attitudes to a Democratic board.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:40 PM
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7. Who would they be?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:15 PM
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14. How about the shooters? Do you think they "enjoyed"
killing fleeing people? Refugees? How Lieberman gets in the discussion...that's an illogical leap.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:11 PM
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13. I really doubt that. Neither is THAT dumb I think.
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 02:16 PM by barb162
Very, very dumb, but not nuclear war level dumb.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:34 PM
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16. BTW, nuclear war with whom?
I really don't understand your comment.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:12 PM
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12. Shooting at Israel-Gaza Crossing, 1 Dead
Source: Associated Press

Shooting at Israel-Gaza Crossing, 1 Dead


Monday June 18, 2007 6:31 PM

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen
exchanged fire Monday at the Erez crossing between Israel
and Gaza, killing one Palestinian and wounding at least 10,
the Israeli rescue service and Palestinian hospital officials
said.

The Israeli military said Palestinians opened fire on Israeli
forces, who returned the fire. The military said it was not
known if the wounded were hit by Israeli of Palestinian fire.
Israel TV said there were no Israeli casualties.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6718234,00.html
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:22 PM
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15. Those refugees need to be taken to safety. I hope it happens
very quickly so more aren't killed in crossfire or shooting by Hamas militants. (Get someone from the Abbas government over at that Israeli side of the crossing already and get things moving?)
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 09:50 PM
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34. I believe the most overlooked part of this article is...
The palestinians are trying to flee INTO israel for safety. I find that incredibly strange, what with all the war crimes and human rights abuses that palestinians suffer in their day-to-day dealings with the israelis. Surely those who can find fault with israel at virtually every turn can explain why palestinians would want to escape from gaza into israel? This should be interesting.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:09 PM
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35. I believe they're trying to get to the West Bank...
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 10:14 PM by Scurrilous
...the most direct route from Gaza to the West Bank passes through Israel.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:20 PM
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36. Why not flee to Egypt instead?
From a palestinian perspective, certainly that would be preferable to putting themselves at the mercy of jews, wouldn't it?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:37 PM
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38. The people at the crossing are not Egyptian...
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 10:45 PM by Scurrilous
...why would they want to go to Egypt?

They're Palestinians seeking to go to the West Bank via Israel.

I sincerely doubt they wish to live in Israel or that Israel would accept them.


From Haaretz:

"One Palestinian was killed yesterday evening and at least 10 others were injured when a gunman attacked a group of Palestinian civilians waiting for permission to cross into Israel near the Erez Crossing.

Responsibility for the attack was later claimed by the Popular Resistance Committees, a grassroots paramilitary organization. It is still unclear what the aim was.

The incident occurred when Palestinians waiting in an area of the crossing known as the "sleeve" came under fire from automatic weapons and grenades. The Palestinians had been asking to cross into Israel and seek refuge in the West Bank."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/872393.html
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:46 PM
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39. Justice minister: Let refugees move from Gaza to West Bank
<snip>

"Gaza Strip residents wishing to flee Hamas' terror and takeover should be allowed to cross into the Palestinian Authority territories in the West Bank, Justice Minister Daniel Friedmann said Monday morning.

"The State of Israel must ease their passage, as long as they are not Hamas members or people jeopardizing our security," he added.

On Saturday, Israel allowed dozens of senior Fatah officials and their family members to move from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.

Among those who passed through the Erez crossing were Fatah's spokesmen in the Strip, Tawfik Abu Khoussa and Maher Makdad, National Security Commander Jamal Kayed, Fatah Secretary-General in the Strip Majed Abu Shammala, and a group of officials and officers.

After the officials' passage, civilians also attempted to enter Israel, but the crossing was closed and soldiers fired in the air.

The officials who left Gaza were senior Fatah members who were arrested by Hamas recently and later released as part of the general amnesty declared by the movement. They crossed the Erez crossing from the Strip and arrived in Ramallah."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3414232,00.html
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 05:28 AM
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41. Israeli force move into Gaza near crossing
Source: Reuters

Israeli force move into Gaza near crossing
19 Jun 2007 10:10:25 GMT
Source: Reuters

GAZA, June 19 (Reuters) - Israeli tanks crossed into the Gaza
Strip on Tuesday near a key crossing point where some 150
Palestinians trying to flee the enclave have been trapped,
witnesses said.

The Israeli army had no immediate comment on the operation
near Erez Crossing.

Link: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L19801756.htm
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 06:05 AM
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42. Gazans stream to crossing with Israel
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Hundreds of terrified Gazans fleeing Hamas rule were trapped at a main crossing with Israel on Tuesday, hoping to gain permission to pass through Israeli territory to sanctuary in the West Bank.

Fearing death or persecution, Gazans began flocking to the Erez passage after Hamas militants wrested control of the coastal strip from Fatah security forces late last week. Israel, which has no interest in letting masses of Gazans pass through its territory and possibly destabilize the quieter West Bank, has refused to let most of them in, saying their lives were not in danger.

By Tuesday, about 600 people were holed up in the long, concrete tunnel that leads to the Israeli side of the crossing. Around 100 people belonged to Fatah security forces, but the rest were civilians, seeking a better life in the West Bank.

more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians;_ylt=ArlBnqJ1CZLym70wFQhWBY0LewgF
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